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This is a wrenching, disturbing blog. It’s putatively about the war on cancer, but it’s really about medicine and all the weirdnesses that goes into fighting a disease. You might think that in cancer – that deadliest of foes – egos would take a second seat, but no – not at all.
To provide some relief – the story does end well – but on the way to ending well, we get a good look at the underbelly of what goes on in the medical research and treatment fields at major institutions like the National Institutes of Health and major treatment centers.
The sausage making is not pretty, but it can help us understand why diseases like chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS), fibromyalgia (FM), Lyme Disease, and even long COVID are in the fix they are in – and how they can get out of it.
The blog is on “The by Vincent DeVita, a former leader of the National Cancer Institute, the Chief Physician at the Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center and the leader of the Yale Cancer Center.
THE GIST
- This disturbing blog is putatively about the war on cancer, but it’s really about medicine and all the weirdnesses that goes into fighting diseases. You might think that in cancer – that deadliest of foes – egos would take a second seat, but no – not at all.
- The blog is on a book called “The by Vincent DeVita, a former leader of the National Cancer Institute, the Chief Physician at the Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center and the leader of the Yale Cancer Center.
- DeVita was encouraged not to write the book – his colleagues thought the public didn’t need to know about how the sausage, so to speak, was made. DeVita thought otherwise – so here we have a story of the War on Cancer from an insider at the highest levels of the fight. It’s not a pretty one.
- Cancer was a particularly brutal disease to have when DeVita first got involved in the 60s. Breast, neck, and head cancers, colon cancers, and limb cancers were often treated with extensive, disfiguring, and life-altering surgeries.
- The doctors of the day had it all wrong. Because cancer spread through the blood and lymph nodes removing entire breasts, chest muscles, and lymph nodes didn’t stop the spread of cancer at all. Even if the cancer at the site was removed it often came back.
- What was needed was a way to track down cells after they’d escaped the initial site and that involved chemotherapy.
- The surgeons who dominated cancer treatment didn’t want to hear it though. DeVita’s finding that it was possible to produce complete remissions – something that was unheard of at the time – was met with derision.
- After a major study confirmed DeVita’s findings arrogant oncologists at major cancer centers claimed his data was wrong – his protocol didn’t work. Upon questioning them he learned they changed significant parts of it; i.e they knew better.
- DeVita’s attempt to show that something called adjuvant chemotherapy; i.e. chemotherapy done after surgery to capture the loose cancer cells – was met with such hostility in the US that he had to go to Europe to produce a definitive study that ended up changing how cancer was treated.
- Other pioneering researchers met similar resistance. A paper indicating that a less extensive procedure called lumpectomy was as effective as breast/muscle/lymph node removal was held up for almost a year as surgeons refused to sign off on it. DeVita believed the surgeons balked at not performing the extensive surgeries that made them more money.
- DeVita inherited a National Cancer Institute (NCI) at the NIH that was full of fiefdoms that competed with each other. Even though multiple treatments were needed to treat cancer, the different cancer treatments were in different divisions making it impossible for the NCI to determine the most effective treatments. Ultimately these problems got worked out but they slowed down the war on cancer significantly.
- After 8 years DeVita left the NCI for the most well-known and probably the most well-funded cancer center in the world – the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center (MSKCC). Although people came from all over the world to get treated at the MSKCC it was well behind the times. Every woman with breast cancer received radical mastectomies, chemotherapy – a mainstay of many cancer therapies – was hardly used, and the physical plant had deteriorated.
- DeVita was able to bring in new leaders but the MSKCC saga showed once again, how damaging an “old guard” that resisted change could be.
- Moving to Yale – one of the National Cancer Institutes (NCI’s) designated cancer centers – a similar tale was spun. Twenty years after becoming an NCI-designated cancer center, DeVita reported that “nothing” was going on, focused research was a “joke” and Yale’s clinical trials were housed in a closet. Yale even lacked a physical cancer center.
- It was grim stuff. By the end of the book, though, DeVita’s tone has changed. The pioneers that got castigated won out in the end, and the barriers that so hobbled the field have mostly been overcome. The National Cancer Institute reformed, Memorial Sloan Kettering reinvented itself (and is once again one of the top cancer centers in the world) and Yale now has a modern cancer center.
- Despite its hiccups, the war on Cancer has produced real dividends. Cancer mortality has dropped 50% over the decades and is dropping about 2% every year. While cancer remains a major killer, some cancers that were death sentences are imminently treatable. DeVito sees the day when most cancers will be considered chronic diseases that are simply managed over time.
- The curve, in other words, has always bent upwards and that brings us to diseases like ME/CFS, fibromyalgia, post-treatment Lyme disease, and long COVID that are viewed in much the same way that cancer was back in the 1960s – as impenetrable, impossible to solve diseases.
- These diseases need precisely what DeVita brought to the National Cancer Institute and other programs and which worked: comprehensive, well-organized efforts that work together and reward creative approaches to find the best solutions.
- This isn’t rocket science. It isn’t anything that anyone doesn’t know. Research flourishes when it’s comprehensive and well-organized. That’s why advocates for these diseases are trying to create an NIH Center of Post-viral Diseases in which that can happen.
- The curve is always bending upwards. It’s bending upwards now with the nearly $2 billion given to fight long COVID; with David Putrino’s pioneering efforts to quickly bring new treatments to light and study these diseases together at Mt Sinai, and in the emergence of centers like the Metrodora Center, and its bending upwards with efforts to create a Center for Post-Viral Diseases at the NIH.
- The only question is how much time it will take to bend enough.
The book is instructive for diseases like ME/CFS, FM, post-treatment Lyme Disease and long COVID because cancer as a field of study – particularly the chemotherapeutic part of it, which DeVita played a prominent role in – had to battle against hidebound beliefs and outdated treatment approaches.
DeVita showed, though, that however bad things got, the curve ultimately did bend upwards. Even in that most dreaded of diseases – where making a mistake meant death for the patients – there was plenty of pettiness to go around. The book is a good lesson for anyone interested in how medical research and treatment work. In the foreword, DeVita cited something James Watson wrote:
“Science seldom proceeds in the straightforward logical manner imagined by outsiders. Instead, its steps forward (and sometimes backward) are often very human events in which personalities and cultural traditions play major roles.”
As we’ll see, personalities and traditions will play a huge role in the fight against cancer.
The Death of Cancer, by Vincent DeVita
DeVita got involved in cancer in 1963 when the only options were surgery and radiotherapy. Things weren’t going so well. It was a brutal time to have cancer. The most prominent treatment for breast cancer – called the Halsted procedure – removed the breast, the lymph nodes associated with it, and all the muscles covering the chest wall.
Head and neck cancer surgeons would at times remove neck muscles, the jawbone, and even the tongue at leaving patients horribly disfigured. Cervical cancer could call for the removal of a woman’s entire pelvis leaving her with a permanent colostomy bag.
Radiotherapy – the use of radiation to kill cancer cells – went a similar route as doctors prescribed heavier and wider toxic radiation treatments in an attempt to cure their patients.
In the end the surgeons and radiotherapists had it backwards. The problem wasn’t that the cancer had spread to the surrounding tissues. The problem was that as soon as it left its original site it was traveling through the lymph nodes and blood and getting let loose in the body. Those big extensive surgeries weren’t doing any good.
That realization led to the development of chemotherapy which used chemicals to track down and eliminate those cells. Chemotherapy was particularly rough in those days but without chemotherapy, even cancer patients who had been successfully operated on or had radiotherapy were doomed: their cancer was destined to reappear in another organ.
The ever-present possibility of a cancer reoccurrence made the idea of a complete remission anathema in the field.
MOPP Gets Whacked
Skip forward to the young oncologist named Vincent DeVita trembling with excitement as he presented the first evidence that a new combination chemotherapy protocol called MOPP was producing “complete remissions” in Hodgkin’s cancer patients.
DeVita excitement quickly waned when he was attacked by Karnovsky – a leader in the oncology field – because “complete remissions were impossible”. Once the alpha male – Karnovsky – got on DeVita’s case, the pack followed suit: a potentially major breakthrough in the cancer field was ignored and the conference went on without a beat.
DeVita and colleagues put their heads down and pumped out another study. Four years later, he returned to announce that the new protocol had produced complete remissions in 80% of the patients.
DeVita was told again and again, though, that his protocol didn’t work. He found out why when he gave a talk at one of the preeminent cancer centers of the day – Memorial Sloan Kettering.
Told by leading oncologists of the day that his data must be wrong, DeVita questioned them. In a remarkable case of institutional arrogance, it turned out that the mighty oncologists at Sloan Kettering weren’t using his carefully worked out protocol at all – they’d decided they knew better. They’d substituted drugs that had originated at Sloan Kettering for parts of his protocol, had cut the dose of one drug in half because it made their patients nauseous, and changed the timing of the drugs given.
The same thing happened at Stanford where, instead of using body size to determine the dose of a toxic drug called vincristine – as the protocol called for – doctors simply capped the dose at 2mg. DeVita saw this happen so many times he began to wonder how many oncologists were reading the paper.
(Workwell got a similar response when they published results of their two-day exercise tests in ME/CFS: your data, they were told, by other exercise physiologists, must be wrong.)
The good news is the cancer field ultimately did come round and Hodgkin’s lymphoma is considered one of the most treatable of all cancers. The MOPP protocol developed by DeVita and colleagues is no longer the standard of care but is still used in some cases. Even in severe cases, the five-year survival rate of Hodgkin’s Lymphoma is 85%.
Adjuvant Chemotherapy Gets the Cold Shoulder
The next step was something called “adjuvant chemotherapy” which involved treating patients who appeared to be free of cancer with chemotherapy. Adjuvant chemotherapy was appealing because patients who appeared free of cancer after surgery or radiation often came down with it later.
DeVita ran into a wall again when he tried to recruit patients for their trials. The major cancer centers – which were dominated by surgeons – refused to participate in trials. Never mind that many of their patients would later die of the cancer, they appeared to be cancer-free at the time.
Unable to get the study done in the U.S., DeVita had to go to Europe to get it done. It worked and adjuvant chemotherapy (and other adjuvant treatments) are now considered standard care for many cancers.
Bernie Fisher’s Bad News
Even the medical journals got involved in the turf battles. DeVita recalled how a study by a pioneering cancer researcher named Bernie Fisher got hung up in the New England Journal of Medicine for almost a year. The study examined the difference in the outcomes for mastectomy (often the full removal of the breast) and lumpectomy (the removal of the tumor and the area around it).
The study was an uphill battle from the beginning. As with the adjuvant chemotherapy study, it had difficulty getting off the ground because it had trouble finding surgeons who would participate.
By the time the study finished its findings – no difference in survival rates between lumpectomies and mastectomies – meant that many women could be spared the total removal of their breasts, their lymph nodes, and their chest muscles.
That might have been good news for women, but it was not for the surgeons who dominated the cancer field. The study had been sent out to two big-name surgeons – who unilaterally rejected it – causing it to be sent out to others for review. The holdup lasted so long that DeVita published the findings in the NCI’s Clinical Alerts section to get them out as quickly as possible before the study was published.
When the study was finally published years later, it changed how breast cancer surgery was done. DeVita blamed economics for the holdup. The arguments against the approach (“we’ve been doing it this way for 75 years”; “it needs more study”) were so specious that DeVita believed money had to be behind it. Surgeons made 90% of their money from doing extensive breast surgeries and didn’t want that to stop.
When it became clear that radiation therapy wasn’t always warranted, radiotherapists revolted and began to refuse to cooperate in large studies unless radiation therapy – whether it was needed or not – was included.
Fisher was ultimately called a “a medical hero” and an “iconoclastic figure” who brought about “far reaching changes…in the understanding of cancer and its treatment”. He was awarded the Albert Lasker Award for Clinical Medical Research in 1985 “for his pioneering studies that have led to a dramatic improvement in survival and in the quality of life for women with breast cancer.”
Personalities Matter: Mary Lasker and the National Cancer Act of 1971
Personalities matter. Strong personalities like DeVita, DeVita’s mentor Emil Freireich, and Mary Lasker survived vicious attacks from within the medical field but ultimately prevailed. Freireich, the originator of the combination chemotherapy approach that is now standard in the field “was chastised, ridiculed, questioned on the veracity of his publications and called a murderer”.
DeVita recalled that his associates “had been warned by their professors not to get too close to Freireich who felt that [the NCI] was a good place to go to stay out of Vietnam but stay away from Freireich.” Freireich came close to being fired three times while at the National Cancer Institute (NCI) but survived because he had the support of upper management. He went on to become one of the seminal leaders of the field.
Mary Lasker was the wife of Albert Lasker, an advertising executive whose firm’s ironically written ads “L.S.M.F.T.—Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco” promoted smoking for women. Together, they created the Lasker Foundation in 1942 and the Lasker Award – which, over time, became second only to the Nobel Prize in prestige.
After the Laskers failed to get Eisenhower’s national health insurance bill passed, they focused on research and transformed the “sleepy” “American Society for the Control of Cancer” into American Cancer City. They played a major role in vastly increasing funding for the National Institutes of Health, but Mary Lasker’s major focus, though, was in cancer, where she was the brainchild of the National Cancer Act of 1971.
Ironically, she wanted to get the National Cancer Institute (NCI) as far away from the NIH as possible. Lasker believed the NIH was too focused on basic research and not enough on research that benefited patients.
To that end, Lasker was able to isolate the NCI as much as possible. Today, the NCI is funded not from within the NIH but by Congressional appropriations. The NCI’s leader is appointed by the President – not the NIH. The NCI runs its own clinical trials, funds over 70 cancer centers, has a physician training program, and besides doing basic research, awards contracts which it gives to companies to provide specific results.
One area Lasker failed in, though, was to get the NCI to create Cancer Centers outside of the university setting. Lasker believed the universities were too focused on producing basic research and shied away from the clinical research that directly helped patients. She turned out to be right.
Turf Battles at the National Cancer Institute
The earlier iterations of the National Cancer Institute where DeVita and colleagues had made their discoveries were a mess. The so-called “Division of Cancer Treatment” only included chemotherapy. The two other main approaches to cancer treatment – surgery and radiation – were in other departments – and they wanted it to stay that way.
Despite the fact that it was becoming clear that no one approach worked best and that treatments worked best when used together, DeVita describes departments more focused on defending their turf than on producing the best patient care. With each department running their trials – and each often at war with the other – finding the best approach for patients was impossible.
Patients with cancer tended to get surgery, radiation, or chemotherapy depending on which doctor they saw. Most only got one choice, but when more were added, the lack of studies on multiple therapies meant that patients often got huge doses of each – leading to sometimes awful outcomes. To add more mischief, two national clinical trial groups were outside the entire process and were doing, in DeVita’s words “boring, repetitive and wasteful clinical studies”.
DeVita was asked to take over the Division of Cancer Treatment, and agreed to if all the cancer treatment efforts were put under one roof. In 1980, he became the National Cancer Institute Director and remained there for 8 years, where he instituted various reforms. During that time, DeVita brought an empirical approach to cancer that emphasized patient health.
To that end, he brought in a public health specialist called Peter Greenwald, MD, DrPH, who later stated, “we needed to change the whole climate, the whole staff […].” Cancer prevention, for instance, became a focus for the first time, and the NCI actively engaged in efforts to reduce smoking and improve diets.
The Not-So-Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center
In 1988, DeVita became Physician-in-Chief and Attending Physician at one of the oldest and probably the most famous cancer center in the world – the Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center (MSKCC).
People came from all over the world to get treated at the famous MSKCC but – too often, DeVita asserted – they got substandard treatment. Instead of using its immense endowment to explore new approaches to cancer, the MSKCC had become sclerotic as the “old guard” running it “reflexively rejected” new approaches.
Even though it was clear by 1988 that lumpectomies were now considered the standard of care for women with small tumors, every woman with breast cancer at the MSKCC received a radical mastectomy.
Because MSKCC didn’t believe in adjuvant or post-surgical chemotherapy, nobody got that either, with the inevitable result that some women’s cancer would return in a different organ and they would likely die. Nor were patients likely to get radiotherapy – the most prominent cancer center in the world had gone all in on surgery – when it was clear to everyone else that combination therapies were the most effective.
DeVita recalled a presentation at the MSKCC where Bernie Fisher was screamed at by a surgeon who was advocating “super-radical mastectomies” and called “a traitor to his profession”.
If a drug or treatment protocol hadn’t been developed at the MSKCC, it was automatically suspect, and if an MSKCC drug or protocol was available, it was used. The huge research department was isolated from the clinical wing, with the result that while a lot of basic research was being done, little of it had application to the patients.
Plus, the patient facilities were rundown, the radiotherapy department was using out-of-date machines, and a crumbling administration was inefficient – leading to long lines of sick patients waiting for their care.
DeVita began by bringing in new leadership and instituting grand rounds conferences that brought leading cancer researchers to the hospital to speak. Eight years later, after clashing the President of the MSKCC, he was out – and headed to Yale to become the Dean of Yale School of Medicine. He left behind, however, a strategic plan that would ultimately serve the MSKCC well.
Yale Gets Its Lifeline – and More
DeVita found that Lasker had been right to distrust academia – the universities and the NCI’s Cancer Centers were almost wholly centered on basic research. Yale – which contained one of the NCI’s Cancer Centers – was floundering, and was in danger of losing its designation and the funding that came with it as an NCI Cancer Center.
DeVita reported that he was stunned by what he found. Twenty years after becoming a National Cancer Center, Yale didn’t even have a physical building devoted to cancer care. “Nothing,” he said, was going on. Focused research was a “joke” and Yale’s clinical trials program was housed in a closet.
Things were in such disarray that a breast cancer patient who had a biopsy would have a needle put in her chest and then wheeled three blocks to the building where the biopsy took place. No signs directing patients to the “cancer center” existed because there was no “Cancer Center”.
Part of the problem is the tenure system at universities. To earn tenure, researchers are expected to turn out dozens of research papers, but because clinical trials take years to complete and get published, budding professors stay away from them.
Before he left the NCI, DeVita had spent six years driving through stricter guidelines for the Cancer Centers that required viable clinical trial programs, and greater authority of the Directors concerning research, clinical trials, etc. In effect, the goal was to get the Centers out from under the university’s thumb and back to their original mission – to help patients.
Yale was the first Center to be assessed under the new guidelines. DeVita made it clear that it did not pass muster, but with the former head of the NCI in charge, Yale was given a lifeline.
DeVita called getting an actual clinical center built at Yale “maddening”. The hospital didn’t want anything to do with research and the University didn’t want anything to do with clinical care. It wasn’t just Yale – these problems permeate the NCI’s cancer centers found at academic institutions across the country.
Hope
It’s been a pretty grim story so far; by the end of the book, though, DeVita has some good news. Despite all the problems, the trend has been steadily upward. After a slow start, the NCI’s cancer centers have improved.
Ten years after he left, Sloan Kettering had acted on all ten items of the strategic plan he’d left beyond and he now considered it an excellent center. Yale now has a physical cancer center and is actively integrating its cancer research and clinical programs.
When this book was written, DeVita stated that the Memorial Sloan Kettering once again had world-class breast, pediatric, urologic, and neurological cancer programs (but still lagged in lymphomas). Yale was best in class at treating cutaneous T-cell lymphomas) but was behind the times in urologic cancers.
The Mayo Clinic was great at treating “common tumors”, but he would never send a difficult case there. NYU’s Perlmutter Center is an ace at brain tumors but not much else. The list goes on – for adult leukemia to go to MD Anderson in Houston; for myeloma – check out Dean Farber; for difficult cases of breast cancer – the University of Pittsburg was the best place to be.
How effective a Center is at treating a kind of cancer depends upon its resources, its staffing, and its organizational capabilities. DeVita said the PDQ (Physician Data Query) can help patients find the best cancer care. It’s rarely needed, though, as the vast majority of cancers are perfectly well treated at community hospitals. Only the 15% of cancer patients with particularly difficult cancers should be seen by specialists at the big centers.
Cancer, of course, is still a major killer, but five-year cancer survival rates are up 50% since DeVita began his work, and overall mortality rates are declining by a remarkable 2% a year. The hundred billion dollars or so that’s gone into cancer research has more than paid its way economically.
DeVito sees the day when most cancers will be considered chronic diseases that can be managed over time. Chronic myeloid leukemia, for instance – a death sentence in the 1970s – is now perfectly managed by taking a pill a day. The cancerous cells are not gone – they’re simply no longer growing and the patient effectively has a chronic disease.
Some cancers will be managed with long-term low doses of easily manageable chemotherapy. Targeted chemotherapy treatments based on the genetic makeup of the tumor are increasing survival rates. Vitamin A derivatives plus standard cancer protocols have turned acute leukemia – formerly a death sentence – into a 70% curable one. Even the dreaded melanoma is susceptible to treatment in many cases.
The Curve and ME/CFS, Fibromyalgia, Post-Treatment Lyme Disease and Long COVID
What could DeVita’s saga through the upper reaches of our medical system mean for us? Cancer is a big deal, and the National Cancer Institute at the NIH will get $7.2 billion of funding this year. ME/CFS, FM, and most post-viral diseases get a fraction of that and are still struggling to break into the medical mainstream.
Cancer had a reputation similar to that found in ME/CFS today – it was considered unbeatable, a black hole for research when DeVita started out. Propelled by figures like Mary Lasker, cancer received the funding it needed and progress was steadily made.
Building a more efficient field and uncovering the best practices of care was challenging. At each step of the road, pioneering figures like Emil Freireich, Bernie Fisher, and Vincent DeVita faced steep challenges from the “old guard” – the purveyors of received wisdom – and from doctors and researchers who cared more about their incomes than their patients’ lives.
The good news is that despite the horror stories, the pioneers won out in the end, and the barriers that so hobbled the field in the beginning have mostly been overcome. While the field continues to evolve and still has its warts, it’s in better shape than ever.
ME/CFS, FM, and post-viral diseases are not in such a different state as cancer was in the 1960s. If Ron Davis is right, the problem is not so much that these diseases are disbelieved but more that they are perceived as impenetrable problems. They face the same resistance from the “old guard” the pioneering cancer researchers did.
DeVita’s book, however, shows the way to beat ME/CFS, FM, long COVID and the like. The good news is that these fields are on board. Enough with siloed research. Enough with small, inconclusive studies. The advocates at the Solve ME/CFS Initiative, the Long COVID Alliance, the Patient-Led Long COVID Research Collaborative, and others are seeking to replicate DeVita’s path. It isn’t rocket science. It isn’t anything that anyone doesn’t know. Research flourishes when it’s comprehensive and well-organized. That’s why these organizations are trying to create an NIH institute of post-viral diseases.
We’ll see what happens, but whatever happens, we should know that no matter how slowly it moves or what dips it may take, in the end, the curve has always bent upwards – and it is bending upwards right now.
The RECOVER Initiative, as problematic as it is right now, still demonstrates what a different era we’re in now. RECOVER first received $1.15 billion from Congress and then another $500 million from the Biden administration recently to study a kind of disease – a post-infectious disease – that was completely ignored four years ago. The importance Congressional action played in the NCI’s emergence as a major institute and in long COVID cannot be overstated.
Note that while the RECOVER Initiative may be in trouble, so were the National Cancer Institute and its Cancer centers at their inception.
The curve is bending upwards. The only question is how much time it will take to bend enough.
The fields of science and medicine have been plagued by this trend since they began – tribalism among top doctors and thought leaders (whether by academic center or specialty, like surgeons in the examples here) leads to resistance to radical innovation, even when backed by rigorous data. It still happens constantly today across may fields of medicine, and yes even still within cancer. Doctors and researchers are people and come with all the biases and prejudices of people, and face pressures as mentioned in the article here to publish and meet certain career milestones. All those factors can take priority over their ability to be impartial and judge research and potential advancements based solely on data and merit. For complex diseases (syndromes) like ME/CFS and FM that don’t conform to a set of well-defined diagnostic parameters and that are so heterogeneous, that makes it even easier to dismiss newer theories and stick with the status quo. Maybe with AI we will have some kind of big data breakthroughs that help propel the field forward, who knows.
I’m really hoping that AI will shine a light for us. I don’t of any studies underway but ME/CFS and these other complex diseases seem tailor-made for AI to me.
“call me a radical”….
but while studying long-hauler viral and bacterial infections since June 2020,
I started to notice similarities between what goes wrong in the body’s cancer detection,
alongside what goes wrong in the body’s detection of “immune-evading” viruses, such as EB, Cytomegalovirus, types of Herpes etc.
They can, in Windows OS dialect, be TSRs. Terminate and stay resident. They are “bloatware” in a sense since they would do what they need to do on “boot” and their routine would terminate, but they still occupied a space in MEMORY.
DNA add-on memory.
But what factor did I notice in common, either present or avoided?
e-ATP signalling.
The idea here is that
1. ATP creation from carbs and fatty acids is needed for the Krebs cycle of energy production (and good heat generation as a byproduct.)
2. When the muscle cells, and I am supposing also the executive function/thinking/memory/logic cells
do that potassium/sodium pump stuff,
to make polarized muscle cells that attractive neg to pos in order to FLEX or tighten, to do work,
or to think/process/ form memories,
afterward, we know that ATP is also needed to export what was imported, and vice versa.
What is worse is that ATP is needed in anaerobic metabolism of energy to expel the by products. Nobody gets a free ride through the cell wall.
Some of the theorizing either on HealthRising or in papers has included the knowledge that a CFS muscle cell may end up with a surplus or pool of sodium inside the cell as a result of anaerobic metabolism, all of which requires ATP to clear it out again.
ENTER/EXIT PEM.
In any case,
Extracellular ATP is a signal.
The following is purinergic:
“Many studies have demonstrated that extracellular ATP signaling functions as an important dynamic regulatory pathway to coordinate appropriate immune responses in various pathological processes, including intracellular infection, host-tumor interaction, pro-inflammation vascular injury, and transplant immunity. ”
Both cancer/s evasion of the immune system and
immune-evasive viruses/ evasion
seem to both disrupt the e-ATP signalling such that
the white blood cells will TOLERATE these harmful cells.
MAIN POINT:
What I have garnered from this similarity is that
all 3 of the chronic infections from normally-eradicated flus or covid, or rejuvenation of EBV seem to hijack the “kill me” signalling of cells in trouble.
I can not make a decisive point about this observation,
but would only like to underline that:
Cancer and TSR viruses seem to undermine the “kill me please” signalling of the cells when the cells realize they personally have lost the battle.
In the case of Cancer, it has been made clear that the “duplicate everything from the mirrored strands of DNA”,
and split, and the mother cell request death, has been mis-marked.”
In the case of terminate and stay resident viruses,
theses viruses seem to evade the immune system by BYPASSING the e-ATP signalling of Cell Defense (Distress) Response.
Bottom line:
both Cancers which are calling out to the infrastructure to send them blood vessel nourishment
and immune-system evasive pathogens are messing with the “please kill me ” DNA expression, which I would say is messing with the e-ATP signalling
The notion that “…surgeons balked at not performing the extensive surgeries that made them more money,” could be so in the USA where private medicine and money making dominates, however, most of the rest of the world have different models incompatible with this. A critical perspective of state models, eg the UK’s NHS, is that doctors are pushed into providing the cheapest possible treatments. If extensive surgery for cancer can be avoided they will avoid it.
Somewhat true. I’m in Sweden and we have another system than the US. It is correct that more expensive treatments aka new treatments (with few data to support them) are debated/questioned more.
But in some way the other aspect is true too. Researchers fight for funding, and then you have to research in an area where you c a n get funding. Take LC as example. LC and covid research got money during the pandemic because it was so obvious that it was needed.
So, as in the US, our few researchers on ME took on covid and long covid research because they went where they could be funded. Their papers today include both ME and long covid
Many other researchers from other areas also ran to the LC research, or covid research. Many of course due to the n e e d but also in a way to get funded.
Alot of a researchers day to day work revovels around how to get funding. And I guess there are similar “fights” even here in the univerities and between institutions and hospitals.
Not necessarily. Here’s a report on the huge waste caused by unnecessary imaging for back pain and similar problems in the Australian system.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-28/wasted-promo/6804372
It could be sorted out but that would require leadership.
There have been many stories on waste in Medicare here in Australia.
Greed isn’t the only factor that leads to waste. Apathy and lack of conscientiousness/monitoring lead there too.
Ye
S, when I got covid they sent me for a CT scan of my lungs. The attendant placed me on the table and asked me to not move.
The scan was done…I did NOT move.
The attendant stated…”we need to redo the test”,”you must have moved”
In Canada, the health care is free but gets direct billed to the government.
In a profit driven world, what’s the harm in sending the patient through the CT scanner twice. Cha ching $$$
Sorry, this is quite silly. The ‘attendant’, i.e. radiology technologist, has four years of post-secondary education to perform the procedure to ensure it will produce images which are clear and diagnostic.
To suggest that if they decided they needed to ‘send you through’ an extra time, this somehow costs anybody anything other than a few extra cents on the electricity bill is absurd. The cost to the system for a chest CT is the cost to the system.
Interesting and validates my suspicions about medical bias. I like the way you think Cort!!! You masterfully piece and weave together concepts that others may find unrelated or irrelevant. I once read a book by Dr. Jerome Groopman titled How Doctors Think. He breaks it down in simple terms the flawed and biased ways Drs think. He suggested when test results don’t reveal the problem to have the patient ask “if it isn’t that then what else could it be?” Amazingly the Drs haven’t consider anything else besides their initial suspicion. Some Drs are out for fame and money and others just simply don’t know how to use Critical Thinking to arrive at at a diagnosis or treatment. So we Patients have to nudge them to think differently. I have suffered from ME/CFS among other neurological issues for more than 30 years but was just diagnosed 2 months ago after developing Long Covid . I had to suggest it to my young fresh out of med school Dr. I didn’t know he agreed with me until I saw it listed in my patient portal. Anyway thanks Cort you keep me motivated to keep fighting through this debilitating illness.
There have been several scandals about oncologists ordering insufficient doses of chemotherapy drugs in Australia and the UK. I’ve seen them reported on in The Guardian newspaper (UK) and the ABC (Australia).
Read the gist. Kind of makes one feel better that other diseases had to fight the fight too, and changed for the better?
Would be interesting to add info on years to the gist, like in what year he got to Yale etc. to understand the timeline of change.
A doctor at one of the major London teaching hospitals recently told me, much to my surprise, “We know that cancer is caused by stress, but we don’t have any treatment for stress, so we’ll just carry on with chemotherapy and radiotherapy.”
The science behind stress causing illness (70-90% of all doctor visits are caused by stress), and early childhood stress being a predictor for illness (diabetes, CHD, cancer) in midlife (the ACE studies) is well known.
When was the last time your doctor asked about the stress in your life when you went for a consultation? Has any medical professional asked you about the historic stress in your whole life?
A consultant at the Chronic Fatigue Clinic at University College Hospital in London went through my whole life medical history when I was diagnosed with CFS a few years ago – the only doctor to ever do that. However, he sadly didn’t have any treatment for my childhood stress and the trauma I had from the early years of my life. I’ve had to find my own path through that – and 13 years post breast cancer (only lumpectomy) I’m still alive and kicking.
This blog hit a nerve with me! I have a first hand experience with differing and antiquated cancer treatment treatments.
I got DCIS which technically is not considered breast cancer but will surely evolve into it, so treatment is mandated. A surgeon with a ‘big reputation’ at Stanford gave me a scary scenario and recommended a mastectomy. Sutter, where the DCIS was discovered, only had a general surgeon who as it turned out, knew nothing about OncoDX, a genetic profile to determine risk. Furthermore, neither doctor at Stanford or Sutter was appraised on the surgical minefield of operating on someone with Ehlers-Danlos. Both recommended a regime of surgery, radiotherapy and years of adjuvant therapy with aromatase inhibitors.
Enter U.C.S.F. which was getting a lot of criticism because they were applying a different strategy. They felt that with DCIS, less was more and anyway with an older woman like me, I was more likely to die from something else in the future rather than reoccurring breast cancer. They also gave me an OncoDx test which showed low to middle risk. They recommended a lumpectomy and gave me the statistics on adding on radiotherapy and aromatase therapy, each giving higher odds of cancer not reappearing.
On my own, I researched my genetic profile and found I was at particular high risk for unfortunate tissue necrosis with the radiotherapy (thank you EDS) and anyway, my treatment area lay just above my heart. What a lot of people don’t realize is that there is a whole new practice area in medicine which deals with heart problems caused by cancer care. As with aromatase inhibitors, I was also suffering with hot flashes and night sweats with out them and damn if I was going to make it worse.
So I fought with the radiotherapist and passed on that, declined the aromatase inhibitors and instead went for the lumpectomy which incidentally took three times as long to heal as a normal person. The anesthesiologist had trouble with me and the surgeon complained afterward that I bled a bit much.
Now I go in every 6 months for a mammogram and so far no evidence of any reoccurrence–since 2018.
Fast forward to today. I now have a precursor to multiple myeloma so I am getting labs every 6 months. I have to make a big choice between Stanford or UCSF if I actually do develop MM. Stanford, despite me not reacting normally to local anesthetics, will not allow conscious sedation when I will need to get the inevitable bone marrow biopsy–so that rules them out–at least for that test. Now I have to begin to figure out the treatment philosophies are of each institution and the reputations of the doctors. (Sutter isn’t even in the running). Apparently neither institution will talk to one another for reasons I don’t understand. I don’t know, the whole situation smacks of all the issues you have described, Cort.
For those who have the luxury of choosing where to go for any treatment, please do your homework and choose wisely because it can make all the difference in the world!
More like make the difference between life and death
I was doing a radio interview when a parent called in. He said he had spent a million dollars trying to save his daughter from leukemia. He recommended that I should read “The Cancer Industry” by Robert W. Moss who had worked for Sloan Kettering. The book asserts that the same companies that make chemicals that can cause cancer (not stress, please) also make the chemotherapy to treat cancer. Win-win! He went on to say that other less toxic therapies were not considered and actually labeled quackery.
Fast forward a few years and I met a woman who had started a consumer’s medical research company to help patients discover treatments they might not hear about in their community. This lovely lady had ovarian cancer, a death sentence at the time. After she did extensive research, she refused radiation and chemo and had surgeries to remove any tumors that presented. The last time I contacted her, she was still doing well, many, many years after her cancer diagnosis.
Now consider a friend who had inoperable lung cancer. She was treated successfully with Keytruda, but you can only stay on this drug for 5 years. When she came off, she developed severe and uncontrollable diabetes and arthritis. Other autoimmune diseases are also possible that can be as lethal as cancer.
Finally, and very close to home. A delightful young lady was diagnosed with a very serious cancer, rhabdomyosarcoma at 10 months. Extensive radiation and chemo saved her life, but left her with brittle bones requiring a double hip transplant at age 19. She is also unable to have children and in her teens developed lymphedema of her right leg. She just required another hip transplant which resulted in massive infection and another surgery. Just as this was beginning to heal, the hip dislocated requiring a third surgery in six months.
For more than 35 years, our organization has worked with Vietnam veterans. They are dying at a high rate every day, most frequently from cancers. We are also finding cancers in their children.
There is little discussion of the long term effects of current cancer therapies. There has to be a better way, but it won’t come from the current model for diagnosis and treatment that results in lucrative profits for certain sectors.
Cancer is a nasty disease. I have lost many loved ones to this disease. With pancreatic cancer you only have a 20% chance that chemotherapy will help prolong your life. Quality of life after cancer treatment is often low. But no pharmaceutical company conducts research to see for which patients this treatment works and for whom it does not. So 80% receive chemotherapy unnecessarily in the case of pancreatic cancer. They make a lot of money with that.
Big Pharma doesn’t give a hoot about curing ANYTHING!! It’s all about the MONEY. Healthy people don’t help you pay for expense homes and cars and lifestyles. You keep people sick and then rack in the cash. Everyone gets a piece of the pie. All those cancer organizations making the people running the organization rich and then they hand a small percentage of the profits to colleges that do useless research.
Now if anyone wants to hear a sensible professor who has been working out a plan for cancer treatment go listen to Dr. Thomas Seyfried. He is a professor at Boston College. According to Dr; Seyfried all cancers can be treated with a therapeutic ketogenic diet and an old drug called DON, he also said that parasite drugs like Mebendazole seems to be good at killing cancer cells.. The animal version of Mebendazole is Fenbendazole. Seyfried says that all cancer cells need glucose and glutamine to survive and if you deny them those fuels the cancer will starve. A big plus about this treatment is that it’s CHEAP and it will not destroy healthy cells and it will leave the patient with NO organ damage. Seyfried has many video’s on You Tube.. By the way Mebendazole kills cancer cells by using the same pathways as a ketogenic diet (it starves the cancer of glucose)
Everyone needs go listen to Dr. Seyfried because we might get cancer and for sure we will know loved ones and friends who get cancer and they need to know about it.
Seyfried is one of my health hero’s. Imagine if I listened to everything ive been told about my ME/CFS…which was all bullshit in order to get me on pills. Most ,if not all pharma drugs are toxic.
Apricot seeds for cancer treatment.best kept secret.
We need to devsolve these huge conglomerate corporations and shift the money soon or the governments will keep changing the health laws for the worse.making the patient even more powerless than we already are.
It may come true after the lawsuits of how C-19 fiasco was handled by the government qnd our allopathic medical system. The whole thing ignored what doctors were taught in medical school about viruses.
ANY bad virus excretes toxins, otherwise it is a neutral or good virus. To excrete them, it must first absorb them.
Toxins are generally synthetic chemicals (which the liver can not ‘recognize’ and tag for proper processing or removal) pesticides, fungicides, and heavy metals.
Any patent drug is synthetic by law.
The FDA was formed to control these semi-toxins, not to oversee ALL medicines and treatments for safety and effectiveness. It is actually illegal for them to approve a nature-based medicine.
The AMA deemed that their MD’s could only prescribe FDA-approved medicines.
There are good doctors who are not just chasing the money, but unless they use the very outdated ‘Standard of Care’ as proclaimed by the Courts and Insurance companies, they will lose their license if sued, especially if the patient dies while under their care. Usually these ‘Alternate’ treatments are a last resort, and the patient is on the verge if death anyway. So under the current laws, the doctors can not use non-toxic nature-based medicines and supplements, little doses (thus minimal side effects) of 5 or 6 different chemos targeted to stop each step of a person’s particular cancer (since the drugs were not tested & approved that way), virus & cancer killing high dose IV Vit C, and so on.
Hospital and Medical Practice administrators are the ones pushing the treatments that have the highest profit margins; it is the only way Hospitals survive under our system. Just look at gow many people suddenly had C-19 when hospitals got paid $30k for every Covid patient treated, but only around $7k for most other things. Suddenly everyone admitted after a serious accident was dying of Covid and not trauma.
Since chemicals & toxins feed the diseases and cancers, there will NEVER be a patentable ‘Magic Pill’ to cure them.
In Japan, the government studies both patent and nature-based medicines and treatment protocols, and lets the doctors chose whatever is best for their patient.
Oriental Medicine has ALWAYS included minor changes to the diet and removing toxins and stressors from a person’s life, whether they be drugs or people.
Hence, many types of Cancers have been a treatable disease (like diabetes) there for years.
In Shamanistic medicine, cancers are dark energetically ‘dead’ spots seen in the body by the 3rd eye, and are usually from holding old grudges and not forgiving someone else or one’s self. The location is related to the grudge, so there is a psychological side to healing some diseases and cancers.
Repeating the Forgiveness Prayer multiple times a day for weeks or months until one has truly forgiven whoever and moved on with their life has often been the cure.
Another excellent long covid study from Britain. Come on USA, you are being shown up!
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-024-01778-0