Through their ability to virtually eradicate infectious diseases such as polio, smallpox and measles, vaccines have produced incalculable good over time. Measles is a case in point. In 1958, 763,094 cases of measles were reported in the U.S.: in 2008 less than seventy were. Recent research suggests that damage to the immune system following the measles infection probably resulted in many health issues later as well. It’s almost impossible to calculate how much disease and suffering vaccinations have prevented.
That’s why it’s been difficult to write a blog suggesting that a specific vaccine may have problems. Put the studies indicating that it’s as safe as any vaccine against anecdotal reports that it’s causing harm, and you don’t have much. Parents of autistic children were sure that the mercury in the vaccinations their children were taking was causing autism. It took millions of dollars to prove it wasn’t. Meanwhile many unvaccinated children were left in harms way.
The state of California is concerned enough about dropping rates of vaccinations that a bill that would bar children who are not vaccinated from attending public schools, is on the brink of passing. I do not in any way wish to be a part of any general anti-vaccination promotion.
Designed to prevent infections associated with the development of cervical cancer, genital warts, and other cancers, the human papillomavirus vaccine is the latest vaccine to come to market.
The Upside
HPV vaccines have received widespread approval from major health organizations. The World Health Organization (WHO) and public health officials in Australia, Canada, Europe, and the United States have recommended vaccination of young women against HPV. ( The U.S. also recommends vaccination in young males).
The two vaccines approved in the U.S., Gardasil and Cervarix, protect against two types of human papilloma virus responsible for 70% of cervical cancers, 80% of anal cancers, 60% of vaginal cancers, 40% of vulvar cancers, and 90% of genital warts.
The efficacy of the vaccine is not clear yet but it may be able to significantly reduce the rates of cervical cancer. It is the fourth most common cause of death from cancer. (The introduction of the pap smear has reduced number of deaths, they have dropped significantly over time.) The National Cancer Institute has stated that
“Widespread vaccination has the potential to reduce cervical cancer deaths around the world by as much as two-thirds, if all women were to take the vaccine and if protection turns out to be long-term. In addition, the vaccines can reduce the need for medical care, biopsies, and invasive procedures associated with the follow-up from abnormal Pap tests, thus helping to reduce health care costs and anxieties related to abnormal Pap tests and follow-up procedures.”
By 2014 almost 40% of teenage females in the U.S. had received at least one shot of the three shot protocols. In Australia the percentage is almost 70%. Statistics suggested the vaccine was working. The prevalence of HPV infections among teenagers aged 14–19 had been cut in half with an 88% reduction among vaccinated women in the U.S.. The infections were down threefold in Australia.
The National Cancer Institute reported that tens of thousands of vaccinations were done prior to licensing and that a recent CDC and FDA safety review found adverse events were no higher than in other vaccines. (It did note that a higher proportion of syncope (fainting) was seen in Gardasil.) While studies have found that the incidence of serious adverse effects is low (<1 in a 1,000) anecdotal reports have emerged of the vaccine triggering autonomic nervous system dysfunction including postural orthstatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS).
A Downside?
The case against the HPV vaccine having an unusual number of side-effects is quite strong. Some dissenting reports have emerged, however. A small Japanese study recently reported increased rates of orthostatic intolerance and an complex regional syndrome-like disease in young women, who associated their symptoms with HPV vaccination. The young girls, some of whom were unable to attend school, tended to be diagnosed as having a psychosomatic disorder. The study suggested abnormal peripheral sympathetic responses were present.
A media outlet recently published a report from a U.K. agency indicating that many more adverse side-effects have been reported for the HPV vaccine than for other vaccines. Since the vaccine was not given until three years in the reporting period the report understates the incidence of negative side effects of the HPV vaccine relative to other vaccines. It should be noted that this report stands at odds with reports from other countries.
The media report followed the case of a young girl experiencing a very ME/CFS like illness progression.
Two weeks after her first HPV injection, a previously healthy and active 13-year old teenager experienced dizziness and nausea. She eventually ended up in the emergency room with severe chest and abdominal pains and difficulty breathing. Suggestions that the vaccinations were responsible were met with hostility and ridicule and predictably she was told to push herself to get back to normal. Two years later, now able to attend school only 3-4 hours a week, she was finally diagnosed with postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS).
When people come down with POTS and ME/CFS and FM they often do so suddenly; there’s no way to tell that her POTS was caused by it or by another factor.
In the HPV category alone, however, ADRs numbered 8,228, of which 2,587 were classified as “serious”; i.e. resulting in hospitalization or deemed life threatening.
It should be noted that adverse effects “associated with” or occurring around the time of vaccination are to be expected. For instance the thirty-two deaths and 12,424 adverse reactions ranging from dizziness to autoimmune disorders reported with HPV vaccinations in a CDC study came after 23 million doses. Those numbers are in line with safety studies of other vaccines.
In 2013 the Japanese government, pending an analysis of reports of long-term pain associated with the vaccine, withdrew its recommendation that young girls receive the vaccine. It noted that while still very low (12.8 serious cases of adverse events per 1 million inoculation) the reports of adverse events were higher than for some other vaccines.
Hypothesis: Human papillomavirus vaccination syndrome—small fiber neuropathy and dysautonomia could be its underlying pathogenesis. Manuel Martínez-Lavín. Clin Rheumatol
DOI 10.1007/s10067-015-2969-z
Dr. Martinez-Lavin has produced a hypothesis paper proposing that HPV vaccines may cause sympathetic nervous system dysfunction in very small proportion of those being vaccinated. Calling these issues “rare” Martinez-Lavin speculated the aluminum adjuvant in combination with the inactivated virus may play a role.
Martinez-Lavin believes the multi-symptom nature of the complaints may have made it difficult to determine causality and lead to under-reporting of harms. He started worrying about the vaccine after several girls now under his treatment developed fibromyalgia shortly after being vaccinated.
Conclusions
On the balance the evidence suggests HPV vaccinations are safe. They may help reduce the incidence of cervical cancer and genital warts. Pending further analysis – and counter to other nations – the Japanese government, however, withdrew it’s recommendations that young girls be vaccinated. One recent report suggests rates of adverse effects, while still rare, may be higher than in other vaccines
Hi Cort
Are there other vaccines relying on a particular adjuvant that are generally given at or after the onset of puberty into adulthood, rather than during childhood? If so are there sex differences in injury reports, especially in the type of injury report?
One problem is that spontaneous adverse event reporting for any type of medical intervention (medication, vaccine, surgical procedure, etc.) is statistically not a good way to judge whether the vaccine or whatever is truly having a real adverse effect in the population. Spontaneous adverse event reporting is I think better for catching large canary-in-coal-mine events. Also hard to figure out if it is a specific subpopulation vulnerable to an adverse effect.
In other news thought this might be of interest to you
https://www.theverge.com/2015/6/29/8861765/pain-immune-cell-sex-difference-mice
paper: http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nn.4053.html
I don’t know about vaccination timing. I do believe I read that adolescents can receive other vaccinations with HPV. I don’t know if there are any stats of males receiving the vaccination and I don’t know about the aluminum adjuvant either – I’m tapped out!
Incredible findings in the mice. I’m going to do a blog on that…what a stunner that finding may be!
My son had the HPV vaccine which we are sure caused his ME/CFS, POTS and dysautonomia. We are waiting (long wait list) to see the neurologist at the Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale that treats kids who have come down with this illness post HPV. This vaccine is absolute poison.
Good luck Grace…Glad you found a place…
Grace Shain–I am very interested in cases of HPV vaccine injury, as I have a hunch the same thing happened to me. I would love to speak with you about your son’s experience and possible treatments for Gardasil-related dysautonomia. Please email me at mshaw@college.harvard.edu if you’re able.
Thanks so much.
I took the shingles vaccination in November and in December came down with vasovagal syndrome a cardiovascular condition I have had chronic fatigue for many years. Has anyone ever had this type of reaction from the shingles vaccination? I am so sorry that I ever took it but I had two friends who suffered from shingles for so many years.
Denise – so sorry to hear that you became sicker because of the shingles vaccine.
My husband became quite sick for several months after he received a shingles vaccination from the VA health care. He also regretted getting it.
I am subject to outbreaks of the “Herpes family”: HHV-1 cold sores; HHV-3 shingles; HHV-4 Epstein Barr; HHV-5 Cytomegalovirus; HHV-6.
I tested high on tests for HHV-4, 5, 6; and ultimately got a diagnosis of chronic Lyme disease. However, chronic Lyme is not about the spirochete; it is the breakdown of the immune system which cannot fight off these organisms.
I take three 800 mg Acyclovir tablets per day to keep the Herpes Family at bay. They help me in that I have enough energy to stay awake for most of the day, having naps in the afternoon. If I didn’t have Acyclovir, I believe I would be totally bedridden.
If you have a compromised immune system, just say “No” to vaccinations.
My sister and I recognized a long time ago that vaccines are CFS-crashes on wheels! Every time we had vaccinations as children we got really, really sick. Since both of us have had CFS since we were babies, we’re not sure what the trigger was – but it could have been the childhood vaccinations. I am sure they were at least a major contributor. We also had lots of viruses as babies and children, so we don’t know exactly when it began.
I read recently that they’ve started giving tetanus boosters to cancer patients. The booster kicks the patient’s immune system into high gear and they are better able to fight the cancer. In CFS patients I think vaccines also kick our immune systems into high gear. The problem is – our immune system is already attacking us (CFS as an autoimmune disease), so a vaccine just intensifies the attack. I think the people made ill by the vaccine were probably on the hairy edge of autoimmunity and the vaccine pushed them over the edge. That is why the antivirals and antibiotics help CFS. They calm down the immune system. I think the immune system recognizes them as help, and so it relaxes. I do wish I could get my immune system to quit attacking me!
Wow! This makes so much sense as my daughter has ME/CFS – we think caused by an immunisation, and we’ve just found out our other daughter has autoimmune hypothyroidism so the immune system going into overdrive rings true here x
Michelle – I am an older adult and had 4 vaccines at age 63. I went from hiking 40 – 50 miles / week to being house ridden and sometimes, bedridden. CFS, POTS, Sjogrens, SFPN, reactivated EBV, hypogammaglobulinemia, etc. I believe I have 13 diagnoses now. Totally healthy prior to vaccines. Still no solution.
Kim & Kelly, I could not agree more, vaccines are CFS crashers and many times the cause of getting CFS in some. Surgeries of any kind, anesthetic also BIG crashers.
I also believe that anyone with an autoimmune disease should be very careful before getting any vaccines contrary to what they are saying about getting COIVD shots for those with compromised immune systems.
I just lost a good friend, he was only 68, had bad RA and a couple of other problems, but was not until he got the COVID vaccine, that he had racing heart so bad, trouble breathing some and died within 2 months of vaccines. Test showed nothing wrong with his heart prior. Could have been a mix of the RA drugs he was on for RA or just COVID vaccine.
Ohhhhh, this is a controversial and usually heated discussion. People either are for or against. There is no grey.
I feel a polio vaccine caused an epigenetic reaction to a polio vaccine and me, my sis and a friend have been unwell since then. I was about 8 years old. I have research showing the big cover ups on this around that time. They wonder if it didnt cause a mild case of polio and the lifelong resuts “may” be post polio syndrome. We couldnt lift our heads off our pillows. Or even walk to the bathroom. We missed months of school. None of us has been well since. I have HyperPOTS, my sis OI and CFS and we both have FMS. Vaccine related??????? Too many prior insults to the immune system with other vaccines and this one put us over our limit to fight????
Anyway, here is one of the best videos I’ve seen explaining my beliefs.
https://youtu.be/EhTO2D1ccJ4
Issie
I guess one question is where some people who get ME/CFS/FM are amongst unfortunate few who don’t do well with vaccines or as you say was the vaccine just that last insult that put an already damaged immune system over the edge? Maybe it would have been the next cold or the next one that did it (???)
Thank you for posting this link! I appreciate it!
Fantastic, eye-opening video about from chiropractor John Bergman about history of vaccinations, including the polio vaccine which hundreds of thousands of children received on a sugar cube in the 1960s! I did.
Especially telling is the part at 11:18 where he says: “These videos will be shown in a hundred years, and this is where the laugh track will be put in… Injecting neurotoxins and animal proteins in a muscle is bad for you.”
I wonder about the influenza vaccine that we are encouraged to get yearly. Since I was a health care provider I was required to get the vaccine yearly. In the past 10 years I have had a resurgence in CFS/fibro symptoms each Oct after getting flu shot. This past Oct’s episode was the worst and has lasted 9 months so far. Is it worse to get the flu with CFS/ME/fibro, or develop symptoms of flares after the vaccine?
The biggest problem with vaccines is that the public is not protected against unsafe or ineffective vaccines. The vaccine industry got Congress to pass the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act in 1986. People who are injured by vaccines are not allowed to sue the manufacturers.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr presented a gripping speech at a “No on SB 277” Rally in Sacramento in April 2015, in which he called the CDC a “cesspool of corruption.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U14ITEFqrlg
Leslie Carol Botha interviewed Judy Mikovits, author of “Plague,” in January 2015. Scroll down the page in the link below and read what she has to say about the Gardisil HPV vaccine, in which multiple vials of the vaccine which were distributed around the world were contaminated with a recombinant HPV rDNA virus.
http://holyhormones.com/vaccinations/judy-mikovits-phd-leading-the-charge-into-medicines-holy-war/
I just got notice they are trying to pass a bill in CA requiring all students to be vaccinated, or they cant go to school – with NO exception . Even home school kids that may have to go take a test at a public school. There is a big petition out against it and there is another rally in two places in CA to try to get the governor to not sign it. This will bring a lot of attention to this subject and people are very emotionally charged in both directions.
Issie – The link above to the Robert F Kennedy speech was at a rally AGAINST mandatory vaccinations (SB 277) in California. His talk is very insightful!
Mandatory vaccinations are scary — the influence of the out-of-control pharmaceutical corporations buying Congress.
http://www.nvic.org/Doctors-Corner/Aluminum-and-Vaccine-Ingredients.aspx
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm
I finally watched his presentation. I hope more people will realize the danger. The innocent children have no voice. Yet they could pay for it their entire life. Ive experienced this and watched my dad suffer in pain and barely able to walk because of vaccines. Some of the carriers of the vaccines are designed to cross the blood brain barrier and could potentially cause havoc on the nervous system, autoimmune system and even cognitive functions. They use alumnum and mercury as carriers and others. Look at the above link.
I have strong feelings on this. I really think the polio vaccine was a big contributor to my ongoing issues. Lots of years, supplements, detox, and other treatments later – I finally feel like I’m making headway back to the top. I’m improving and am much more functional.
Issie
Issie
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/06/23/new-mandatory-vaccine-policy.aspx?e_cid=20150702Z1_WNL_art_1&utm_source=wnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20150702Z1&et_cid=DM78502&et_rid=1016197955
Boy everyone is talking about what is going on in CA with this bill they want to pass. Got this tonight.
Issie
Here’s another one for the stats perhaps……my 13 y o daughter had a severe virus. Was partially recovered and so went to school to see her friends after two weeks or so of being home. Fatefully, on that very day the local council was there to administer the first of the HPV vaccines. Despite her waxy pallor, her dark circled eyes and wearing a pullover on a very warm day they deemed her fit to receive the first instalment. She felt much worse by the time she came home from school that day. That’s seven years ago. She never attended full time high school and now does part time university. She functions at a low level with CFS symptoms. No FM/ME at this stage.
Would she have overcome the virus normally without the added insult of the vaccine…..I guess we shall never know!
Ohhh, so sad. I hope she can find a way to climb up. Im in my 50s now and I’ve had a really good life – despite being sick most of it. I’ve traveled and done things. I didn’t let it stop me. We had to get pretty creative for that to be the case. But, it’s been okay. Positive attitude. If we can’t change what we get handed – then we have to do the best we can with what we have. Life is so short – blink and it’s over. Find joy every day and don’t take any day or person forgranted.
Issie
Thanks Issie, of course she has not had the time to enjoy the teen milestones, also, how to live a full life when the prospects of ever having full time employment are quite slim at this point? Money…a necessary evil for many reasons!
We hope there will be a light at the end of this long tunnel for her……and that it is not a train coming the other way. I strongly feel she will pop out the other side..I am looking forward to that day. We do try and keep a positive frame of mind. You are absolutely right, it does make a big difference and has prevented her from being put on anti depressants during this life altering ‘event’. Glad to have your positive input.
That was nice of you to say. Yes – let there be light and not a train.
Issie
Well, I feel that there may have been something wrong with one of the vaccines when they vaccinated the soldiers for the Gulf War. I think that it is a combination of a vaccine, PTSD, and oil wells be lit on fire or some may have been involved with the burning of medical waste and not being properly protected.
I also have long thought that ME/CFS could be a vaccination issue that may not have reared its ugly head when we got the vaccine.
And… I should have listened to the doctor on TV saying that Fibromyalgia patients should never have a flu shot. I think I got one or two after that and I think I went into even more of a spiral than I was already in.
Do I believe children and adults should have vaccines? Yes. Do I think they should have mercury, even traces? No. Do I think Fibromyalgia and ME/CFS patients should be getting the flu shot? I just know that I won’t do it again. If I had a daughter would I have the HPV vaccine for her? If I could get around it and ask her to hold off another 5-10 years, I would as I think there is a problem with them that they have not figured out yet.
As far as I know mercury in vaccines was never tested for links to autism. The only vaccine tested for links to autism was the MMR vaccine. It never contained Mercury, as the measles component is a “live” vaccine and Mercury would kill the measles component thus rendering the vaccine useless.
The recently passed legislation in California has me deeply concerned. I understood that the rates for vaccine uptake in that state was around 97% already, so the bill seemed like overkill. I worry about vaccines being only in the hands of doctors, with parents having no say.
After being sick myself for so long wth CFS, the Autism community has my upmost sympathy, as well as those with Fibromyalgia and Gulf War Syndrome. Here are some communities who have been seriously mistreated by the medical profession. I hate the blank stares I receive when I try explaining that exercise makes me feel worse. Doctors don’t always listen or take you seriously. I’d hate it if the government mandated me to have CBT/GET because The Science said it was good for me. Which brings me back to Autism.
If a parent of an Autistic child says “my child was normal until he got his vaccines” then I would give them the benefit of the doubt, and I certainly wouldn’t force the same parent to vaccinate the next child. Some people due to genetics are more susceptible to vaccine reaction than others, and I don’t think they should be sacrificed as collateral damage for the greater good. we need far more research into safety and adverse reactions.
As for the HPV vaccine I think Denmark is doing a recent study into adverse reactions. I think the feedback they received was at least twice what they expected.
I’m getting exhausted now but I want to make one more point. Please check out the CDC whistleblower. The cdc found the MMR vaccine did have a statistically significant link to increased rates of autism in African American boys, but chose to bury the data. Maybe out of fear of causing a panic and thinking that measles was the worse evil to be avoided.
As for flu shots, my father got one and got Guillian Barre from it. That one can kill you!!! He had permant dysfunction from it. He did IVIG, but they really werent sure if that helped him. Will I get one – NOT A CHANCE. I have hypogammaglobulinemia, which means my immune system is really not good. They tested my resistance to over 20 strains of pneumonia and I had a very low markers on only 6 of them. The doctor wanted me to do a challenge with a pneumonia vaccine. This was after he had told me that likely my body could not fight pneumonia and I would likely die. Im like, I dont think so. After a vaccine making me sick earlier in life (and my dad) – intentionally introduce a virus into my body ON PURPOSE that could kill me. He actually had to have another doctor come in the room to retell me how low my immune system function was and that l refused immunization. Then I had to sign a paper saying that I understood the consequences. I’d Rather take the chance of not getting it.Than take the chance of giving it to myself and then my body not be able to fight it. It would have been a gamble either way. And BTW the pneumonia vaccine can give you Guillian Barre too.
Issie
About vaccines – complicated question, of course, Each one is different and then, too, each person is so different from each other person.
The flu vaccine is ‘inactivated’ and we are told it contains dead — not living, not attentuated — virus.
However, they kill it with mercury. So when you get a jab it includes mercury.
Would anyone think that was OK if they killed it with lead instead of mercury? (“Oh, but it’s such a tiny amount . . . !!”)
How much lead would it be OK to inject into someone?
And that’s just the beginning, of course.
One of the problems with vaccines is everyone is treated the same; the one-size-fits-all rule applies to all. If they say two or three boosters are needed to acquire immunity, then that’s what they impose on everyone. What’s not taken into consideration is that because of genetics some of us, who are born with superior immunity will have an adequate immune response with a single dose of a vaccine and will be fully protected. Others, with innate, less-than-optimal immune systems can be vaccinated against a virus over and over again, and yet, if they come in contact with that virus, they will still become sick. I often wonder, what are we doing to the immune systems of people who generate extremely high levels of antibodies after the first dose of a vaccine, by injecting them with an unnecessary second and third dose?
Completely. My son has autism and I always wondered why they battered him with so many vaccines in one day which I am sure compromised his immune system. To this day, every time he is at the pediatrician they try to tell us he needs a booster for this or that, varicella, MMR etc. Every time they tell us this I say, “hey, lets get some blood titers and see if he has immunity.” Guess what… every time we have the titers it shows he has immunity yet they are always pushing, pushing for one more jab, one more profit. Probably so they continue to get their kickbacks from the insurance companies that give $400 per patients if they follow the exact vaccination schedule. Like you said, no consideration that medicine is not created equal for every individual. Despicable
This documentary was aired on mainstream TV in Denmark .. It has subtitles.. Really interesting.. And so M.E like symptoms. http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/tv2-denmark-documentary-on-hpv-vaccine-shows-lives-of-young-women-ruined/
Cort, I saw this happening firsthand in my F/CFS/ME doctor’s office per my doctor’s own words the first couple of years the HPV vaccine was being pushed down parent’s throats. One poor teen I met was in a wheelchair just weeks after the vaccination. Her poor mother was so distraught that she had pushed her child to get the vaccine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFY5dRD4aWA
What a great discussion. The video of Robert Kennedy Jr. in Sacramento was so enlightening. This post is of Maurice Hilleman, from Merck, discussing vaccine problems. Those of us who got the polio vaccine in the 1950s were all exposed to SV 40, and God only knows how many other wild viruses that could permanently alter our immune systems?
Even though I have been from the ‘structure and function’ camp, I appreciate that my immune system is ‘kinky’ and different – allergies, asthma, rheumatoid arthritis runs in the family. My grandmother lost 4 out of 7 babies to measles in the early 1900s, so I am grateful that my own children and grandchildren could be protected from that.
Yes, I think there are many more problems with vaccines than is reported. My little grandson got rotavirus vaccine at 2 months and screamed for 2 days – had severe diarrhea with blood. The 4 month rotavirus caused him to stop pooping for 23 days – a totally breast fed baby.
I wanted to report this, but the pediatrician REFUSED to say this was vaccine related – could not get vaccine lot numbers, etc. She said that all of the breast milk must be getting absorbed. No need to poop. Wow. This is the complete abandonment of any logical, scientific thinking.
I later learned about the rotavirus being contaminated with DNA fragments of a pig circovirus. Certain strains of this virus cause severe immune suppression/death in young pigs. The vaccine was temporarily recalled, but then the CDC said it was safe ( Ha !!) and it was back on the market.
I’m not going to weigh in on this debate but there is significant misrepresentation of facts that seem to be for sensationalist reasons.
At least listen to the US NIS head Doctor before making any judgment.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/07/01/vaccines-fact-fiction-lead-fauci-intv.cnn
And we are to believe Anthony Fauci… why?
There’s nothing sensationalistic about being sick for years… and the rest of your life… after getting a vaccination.
Multiple, dangerous vaccinations in tiny infants and children are motivated solely by greed.
Why was legislation passed so that manufacturers cannot be sued?
He didn’t present me with any science or proof of what he was saying. On the other hand the people advising against vaccine have a lot of statistics and “Ill fallen people” to back up the claim of danger. When it happens to you or someone you love – you know the danger.
What if those with already compromised immune systems get the vaccine and then get the illness and if the kids survive it and their epigenetic changes bring them a lifetime of illness – who benefits from that? what is the greater evil?
Yes, I have read the info on the polio vaccine and the virus in it from monkeys. And it is scary. Yet they try to say those of us that got sick from it – that they couldn’t explain – it wasn’t related. I THINK NOT!!!
Okay – said enough. This is a topic of extreme emotion for most. And there is no grey.
Issie
I have never advised against vaccination. I only advise that we all be educated about how vaccines are produced and what the motivation is behind production and laws.
Below is a segment of a long, interesting article on ideas about the origin of AIDS – article found at originofaids.com It is an article by Leonard Horowitz, who was a dentist, but also has a Master’s degree from Harvard in Public Health.
Most important for us, perhaps, is the statement by Dr. Robert Gallo , “During the past year
(1970) macaques were inoculated at birth or in utero with Mason-Pfizer monkey mammary virus, Epstein-Barr virus ( EBV), Herpesvirus saimiri, and Marek’s disease virus. EB virus was given with immunostimulation and immunosuppression ( ALS, prednisone, imuran). Australian antigen ( HB virus) was given to newborn African green monkeys.”
This information comes directly from the contract ( with Gallo and colleagues) entitled, ” “Investigations of Viral Carcinogenesis in Primates” ( NIH Grant No. 71-2025, beginning Feb. 12, 1962)
Horowitz actually confronted Gallo at a meeting in Canada with these facts – ie that Gallo and colleagues were mixing multiple viruses in primates -could this have anything to do with the origin of AIDS. Gallo was furious and referred to Horowitz’s ideas as ‘tutti fruiti,’ Gallo told Horowitz he needed a high school biology education. Hah. Gallo later apologized.
I can find that video if anyone is interested. The point of my comment: In the 1960s and beyond there was ALOT of viral experimentation, mixing – including Epstein-Barr virus, but many other exotic viruses as well.
You think these viruses can’t escape from from level 4 or 5 containment labs ? Well check out the fact that just this last Spring a very deadly bacterium, Burkholderia pseudomallei, escaped to the soil out side of a security lab ( level 3 ) at Tulane National Primate Center.
It is unknown how that happened, but a number of rhesus macaques kept in outside pens were sick, tested positive, and euthanized. Interesting that some articles mention the potential of this bacterium for biowarfare. Of course, the public was assured that there was no danger, and all was well.
Sorry for long post – but where are we with out specific information ??? OMG, Cort, you reopened Pandora’s Box for me. Thank you.
I feel the same way. I’m so angry that people may not be allowed to MAKE their own decisions based on accurate knowledge of the true facts. If they have that knowledge and decide to immunize any way and there are problems. Then it’s on them for taking it with the knowledge of possible contamination or faulty autoimmune response. (Could be why they took away the ability to sue.) But if they force it on people and they have no say – whose blame is it then? Will they reverse the ability to sue? Probably not – who wins????? Not to mention – it could give the child what it’s trying to prevent and then it spreads to those whose systems can’t fight it. Then you have the very epidemic they are trying to prevent – when it wasn’t an active problem to start with.
I have got to quit talking about this. It’s too emotionally charging for me. Since I feel it was the last straw that set off a life time of issues for me.
Issie
Issie,
Yes, I got so wrapped up in this illness and all that was happening with viruses, etc. etc. that I stopped all of the reading,etc. and focused on healing. Think I am headed back to that. We can not change the past. I think I actually tried to do that in my head. Hugs.
As always I appreciate all of these individual contributions. Everyone has a piece of the puzzle. If we work carefully, with observation and objectivity, and link the pieces together, a picture will emerge. Of course, we need the help of great scientists who are not fearful of the places were evidence may lead them.
I had heard of a cluster of nurses in Quebec coming down with CFS post-vaccination. Here is an link: http://www.whale.to/vaccines/hyde.html
Thank you. Yes, we had several CFS people in support group who got sick after Hep B vaccination. Dr. Hyde is amazing. I am sure there is a big problem with reporting vaccine incidents and being dismissed by doctors. Been there.
Wow, I am cringing at the ‘perfect storm’ that occurred for my daughter, after all I have just read on this site and some links.
She received combined Hep AB vaccine, three days later showed swollen thyroid area but opted to attend school camp rather than see a doctor as she did not feel unwell. She caught a virus at school camp and became very ill. ( I did report the initial reaction to the doctor who was NOT AT ALL interested in reporting it. ) My 13 yo daughter then spent over two weeks or so in bed very unwell. Starting to pick up slightly she attended school to see friends …as I have said in another post on this thread….the local council saw fit to vaccinate her with the first HPV vaccine on that fateful day she chose to attend school.
My gut is wrenching…the more I read on this site the more disturbed I feel about all the events that precipitated 7 years of poor health for my girl.
I appreciate the discussion. I think I will forgo a flu vaccine this year (used to work in public health nursing and promoted them). I am finally getting some energy back after Oct flu vaccine and resurrgence of EBV and CMV antigens, and don’t want to test my immune system unnecessarily. I just plan to stay away from crowds during flu season, handwashing frequently, etc.
I remembered this and finally found it.
Results of flu vaccine for nurse = Guillian Barre
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRcZZROphLM&sns=em
Issie
This is a heart- breaking video, but important for everyone to view. What about milder cases of Gillian – Barre – do they even get diagnosed??? The National Vaccine Information Center is a great organization. I joined and donated.
Thank you, Issie.
Every thing has two sides, which is true of vaccines. Some parents are worrying about the side effects of vaccines, in my personal opinion, if the side effect won’t bring damage to the children’s health, it will be worth to try. As everyone is a member of the society, we should also consider about others.
Members of society…….. May be destroying future members of society. What’s left???? NO society as we know it. Who will take care of those who later in life are on a forum like this …. Looking for an explanation and a cure for something that may have been with them for what should be the best years of their lives. Complaining of how they hurt and can’t function and their brains won’t work. Will they trace it back to a vaccine that they were forced to get?????? Something to think about. We should have a say what we introduce into our bodies. And parents need informed knowledge before they consent.
Issie
By mention being a member of the society and we should consider about others, I mean that if parents refuse to have their children vaccinated for an infectious disease, the children may become the source of infection. Of course parents should be granted with the right to know what the situation will be after the injection, which will be hard to know. That’s what happening now, right?
Drug design – you hit on the whole problem – there is no way to know beforehand who is going to have bad reactions. But I would think that families who have histories of autoimmune problems, and/or CFS/ME would be suspect for potential issues.
I understand that each new vaccine adds a billion dollars ‘value’ to the company who is producing it. Vaccine companies are not allowed to be sued.
So, no wonder vaccine producers want everyone to believe that ‘herd immunity’ is essential for each individual to be protected. However, effective vaccines should adequately protect all those who have received the vaccine. Thus, individual people / families should be able to choose.
Interesting that China/ Chinese scientists are ‘wooing ‘ the vaccine market. We have dear friends who were born and raised in China who told us NOT to buy any food products made in China. So, would you trust vaccines made in China?
What a nightmare this has all become. My little grandson had a terrible reaction to the Rotavirus vaccine. Still has some GI issues 2 years later. Will he go on to develop irritable bowel????
And who can guarantee there won’t be any side effects? And whose to say it won’t GIVE the illness to the child and then who are you protecting? These “others” who would that be? If all children are forced to get immunized who is left? The parents the caregivers? Who??? And who is it benefiting —- those who choose to use the handle of —–drug design.
Think about this before you make a comment like that. It may start the very epidemic they are trying to prevent. Break open a vial of a live virus and start injecting it in hundreds all at one time and cross your fingers their immune systems can fight it. Not to mention the carriers can cause long term brain dysfunction.
I got to stop this thread people. You all know how I feel.
Issie
Thanks for this, Cort.
The thing about the HPV vaccine is that it prevents illnesses which are associated with a person’s behavior. I think that ideally, a child should wait until s/he is in high school or college and has figured out if s/he is going to be promiscuous or not. And then get the HPV vaccine if s/he plans to sleep around.
It doesn’t seem worth the risk if a young person is not planning to sleep around in high school or college, or after.
I guess this would require that a person have some level of self-knowlege and honesty with her/himself.
Yes, but the doctors still pressure- they want the profits. My pediatrician badgered me to give the HPV vaccine to my asexual autistic teenager. I told him I assure you he is NOT sexually active and he looks him up and down and says ,” No, he will probably never have sex.” (SO OFFENSIVE- my teenager is a good looking kid albeit awkward). Then he backtracks and tries to convince me further to get the vax and says, ” but you should get it. Someone may try to take advantage of him.” Still offensive. He knows nothing about my son who is capable of knowing right and wrong, was a 3.4 GPA high school student and just started his freshman year of college. Fear mongering for profits
So many interesting comments and experiences to go through here. My story is coming down with Fibromyalgia literally overnight 10 days after my flu vax in 2020. It took several months to diagnose. The doctor said it couldn’t possibly be from my vaccine and I must have had a virus. I was a very healthy 59 yr one day and the next day I wasn’t. I don’t recall having a virus. I do feel I have tendencies for auto-immune such as low thyroid, eczema and Reynauds. I also feel I would likely have come down with it from a cold or virus eventually. I tried three prescription medications and didn’t like the side effects. I now use exercise and supplements to help with the symptoms.
My decline began after Hep B vaccines for nursing over 3 decades ago. Flu vaccines resulted in further declines, a fact recognised after 2 flu vaxs several years apart. I have since heard of many nurses who had their nursing career ended and their lives interrupted following vax for nursing. I am now heading to be 60 yr old, have not been able to work for almost 30 years, have missed out on 80% of life. I am now hearing of 20 yr olds getting similar symptoms following the COVID jab and the meningococcal vax. We should not be afraid to question vax , we owe it to our future generations. Science is questioning, re evaluating. Where ave effect of the re the studies that show the accumulative effect of all these jabs, or the long term effects.