The Psychosomatic Researcher in the NIH's Big Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS) Study

Cort

Founder of Health Rising and Phoenix Rising
Staff member
we have a researcher saying patients do not experience real cognitive problems, they simply think they do. That altered perception may be reversed by giving them immune drugs but we're just changing how they think there won't actually be a real improvement in the cognitive problems. Not surprising that isn't going down well. Why bother treating something that isn't a real problem. You don't give powerful drugs with side effects to people who dont have a problem, at least not in the uk.

I stumble to find words sometimes. I didn't do that before my illness. I have to lie down to think clearly. My friends say I didnt use to be like this. If objective tests can't measure that there is something wrong with the tests, not with my perception because my perception actually matches the perception of other people. Do we all have changed perception and the tests are right or is there something wrong with the way the tests were carried out? If we are all wrong and there is no objective change why do other people also think there is one - do we have to give them immune drugs with potentially serious side effects too? Or should researchers consider that if a lot of people disagree with them perhaps there is something wrong with their measurements.

He's actually not saying that we don't have real cognitive problems - he's saying - which review studies do say that the problems are relatively mild compared to other disorders. I've never really understood that and I think that you're right - better tests will uncover deeper difficulties. Marco wrote about a Japanese study which used a different test which uncovered profound problems.
 

Simon

Member
I assert that your assertion that he doesn't believe ME/CFS is a real disease is either wrong or doesn't make sense or is simply irrelevant given the context of the rest of the paper; that ihncludes the way Walitt wants to study ME/CFS, the processes he believes are causing it and the treatments he suggests (powerful immune treatments that no one would toy with) to fix it.
You know, I don't think it's useful to publicly debate this any further, so I'm going to bow out.

I remain excited by the NIH study and look forward to the results.
 

serotone9

Member
I actually just communicated with an ME/CFS patients who's done very well with Walitt. It is a difficult distinction but she said the doesn't believe some sort of injury has occurred but that the body is functioning very poorly - because of physiological issues -and as I tried to point out - one the papers he co-authored posits a physiological cause to ME/CFS and FM and suggests that immune treatments could help.

I think you're missing the point on cancer. If you look at Walitt's studies he's done numerous studies assessing the effectiveness of drugs on FM. In each one he's found them to be quite ineffective for most people. I can't remember the number needed to treat to get a good response but I remember that it was huge.

Cancer is a completely different situation; cancer drugs can actually cure cancer and, of course, you're going to die if you're going to use them. That's very different from saying that because my studies show that drugs aren't that helpful then don't expect too much at this point from them.

Everything he has said publicly - in that interview, at least - is at odds with what you say regarding him here. So which is the "real" Walitt? At the very least, serious questions about his integrity are raised, imo.

It's perhaps difficult when using cancer, or any other disease for which we have treatments, as a comparison, but it's the best we have. To understand the analogy, you have to imagine back to a time when we did NOT have cures (or effective treatments) for cancer, AIDS, etc. The situation in that case would be like Walitt saying *at that time* that it would be futile to search for cures for cancer or AIDS, because it was all part of normal human experience, and it's just the person with cancer's mind that was causing him or her to have a problem. Absurd! No one would stand for that.

So you can see how Walitt is twisting words and ideas to suit his psychologizing agenda. It might very well be true that it's within the normal realm of human experience for someone to get cancer, just like it's normal for cars to break down occasionally. But that doesn't mean that the person or car that has broken down or has cancer is "normal," or functioning "normally!" The person obviously is sick, with a real biological illness that is causing their body to function in a way that is in fact NOT normal when compared to a properly functioning person. Something objectively is wrong with or different about them. Something tangible and real, not just a "belief." That idea that it's perfectly "normal" to get cancer so you should just be okay with it and not look for a cure is a bizarre and ridiculous notion.

But that's what Walitt is saying about ME/FM. I quote again: "something biological might be happening, but we can't even say that's abnormal." That's the agenda he's pushing: he's trying to reframe the "narrative" so an abnormal state of functioning (ME/CFS/FM) is considered "normal." Again, just because it might be "normal" for something to happen (it's normal that your house will burn down if flame is applied, for example), doesn't mean that the person (or house) to which it's happening is functioning normally! The house is on fire, it's not functioning normally (or let's say optimally) for a house. There's something objectively different about it that's preventing it from being used properly. He's deliberately or otherwise (as a result of his bizarre and pseudo-philosophical poor thinking) trying to conflate two separate things, i.e., the major class (things that are possible/within the normal range of experience) with the minor class (things operating optimally). And we shouldn't let him or the NIH get away with that kind of poor logic and gross distortion of reality.
 
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Karena

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I actually just communicated with an ME/CFS patients who's done very well with Walitt. It is a difficult distinction but she said the doesn't believe some sort of injury has occurred but that the body is functioning very poorly - because of physiological issues -and as I tried to point out - one the papers he co-authored posits a physiological cause to ME/CFS and FM and suggests that immune treatments could help.

I think you're missing the point on cancer. If you look at Walitt's studies he's done numerous studies assessing the effectiveness of drugs on FM. In each one he's found them to be quite ineffective for most people. I can't remember the number needed to treat to get a good response but I remember that it was huge.

Cancer is a completely different situation; cancer drugs can actually cure cancer and, of course, you're going to die if you're going to use them. That's very different from saying that because my studies show that drugs aren't that helpful then don't expect too much at this point from them.

We don't really know what he thinks, because he has written and said so many things that are contradictory, vague and/or confusing. Maybe he doesn't even know for sure. At the same time, it sounds as if he tells his patients one thing and his fellow doctors another.

Perhaps he thinks he's helping patients by agreeing with their belief that they have physiological problems. He may start by acting sympathetic to their point-of-view, then gently get them to accept the flaws in their "narrative." This approach might even work. Most of us figure out a way to live with CFS/ME and FM. (We don't have a choice.) But we still want relief for our symptoms and research into a potential cure.

What disturbs me most is the way he speaks to primary care doctors in the video on familypracticenews.com. His attitude toward people with "disorders of subjective perception" is so condescending. He seems to assume we're exaggerating our symptoms and their effect on our lives.

I like to think my family doctor believes me when I tell him something. I try to be as honest, factual and unemotional as possible. I don't want some "expert" encouraging him to doubt me. I don't want someone telling him that I'm not really sick, or that I'm simply experiencing things the wrong way.

I also want my doctor to be honest with me. If he thinks I'm lying or exaggerating, I hope he'll say so. Then I can offer more evidence, bring him a new study, or ask my husband to come and vouch for me!
 

weyland

Well-Known Member
but the ANS studies are really consistent.
I felt confident about that aspect too until I came across one of the study members from NINDS previous papers where they found evidence of autonomic dysfunction in FMD patients (low HRV, same thing they find in ME) and attributed it to stress.

Still I agree that this huge; it could set forward the field or even set it back (in some places)- depending on what the results are.
I'm happy we can at least all agree on what's at stake here.
 

Katherine Autry

Active Member
No one wants the answer that's there's not much modern medicine can do to help these illnesses. I think Walitts is pretty conservative there - he probably doesn't know much about alternative approaches. But here you and I are - on the internet - trying to find ways to understand and treat it. What does that say about treatment efficacy in general for ME/CFS and FM? I suggest that its not so great!
What that suggests, Cort, is that our illness is not being adequately funded for meaningful research, and what research is funded is being hijacked by people like Wallitt who have already reached conclusions. These two things combined are why "there's not much modern medicine can do to help these illnesses." Modern medicine is handicapped by these research shenanigans.
 

Katherine Autry

Active Member
Brian Walitt is misunderstanding one significant factor. There is a difference between (1) emotions or response to emotion creating physical symptoms, and (2) hormones triggered by emotions causing symptoms in the body. My one severe episode of significant paralysis (took about 14 hours to regain ability to walk on my own after recovering from point that I couldn't move arms, legs or even turn over.) Took three days to be back to my normal. This was the result of one scary night of a severe windstorm when an 87 foot spruce fell on our house and did damage. About 18 hours later I took a nap and woke partially paralyzed. Totally unexpected, so not related to expectation of this symptom. But after bad experiences with uninformed emergency room doctors - didn't go, so I didn't get labs at that time. However, at another time a doctor did do a cortisol test on me that came back abnormal. My cortisol levels were normal in first draw. Then she gave me an adrenalin shot and twenty minutes later took another blood draw for the responding cortisol level. She was expecting a possible reduced increase in cortisol in response to adrenalin. Instead of any increase, there was a significant decrease in cortisol level and I was exhausted, uncoordinated and dizzy, but no paralysis. She had no information as to how to interpret or respond to a decrease, so the test was filed an nothing was done. But a cortisol drop in response to an adrenalin increase is a significant problem and in no way psychosomatic.
Sounds like THAT might be a good subject for further research. Perhaps we need to initiate a list of common physiological abnormalities (and one already exists, over 140 pages, by a Phd) associated with ME/CFS and ask the researchers to address ALL of them from a psychosomatic viewpoint. Like, abnormal proteins in spinal fluid. 'splain that one, Lucy!
 

Katherine Autry

Active Member
I came from my thread to this one from the link you posted @Cort so I don't know if it's the case but since we already have this thread about it, if you feel like deleting mine it's okay.

Now...
After reading it all I still stand firm with what I said in my thread. "Please curcify". That's the worst a doctor can do for us.
Even if I could get as optimist as you Cort, and tried to see the good intentions behind what Dr. Wallits said, still, there are ways and ways to say something. You can tell someone to go to hell and depending on the way and timing you do that this someone might even thank you.
But now... I gotta tell you, he's at the wrong place, wrong time with the wrong idea and the worst way to express it.
He's being disrespectful, ignorant, and stupid.

I'm pretty sure you'll win a Nobel for Hope (they'll have to invent a categorie) one day Cort, but let's place our hope at fertile soil. Right now we gotta fight this, we can't let this pass by and wait to see when will this doctor change his outdated and ridiculous beliefs.
Amen, sista!
 

Katherine Autry

Active Member
I agree with you that they will probably find better tests of cognition that reflect better what's going on in ME/CFS and FM and chemobrain but I think you are misinterpreting the point on which his approach these diseases exists. His approach is to introduce physical stressor and using it to map out the biological mechanisms - the immune or whatever issues which are behind their illness.

Wouldn't you rather have a researcher who is a little off on his hypothesis but is following the right research approach than someone who seems to have a better hypothesis - say who believes the cognitive tests reflects the cognitive dismay found - but he thinks it's caused say, aluminum toxicity or something like that?

The first one - Walitt - could very well find the answer to this disease while the other could founder around forever. I believe that, after this study Walitt will probably have to rethink his hypothesis because the exercise studies will show metabolic abnormalities. That's fine! The approach is the key.

If the right approach is taken to ME/CFS the answers will come - and I think the right approach to ME/CFS is doing what Walitt, to my great surprise suggested - push the systems of FM/ME/CFS/Chemobrain patients hard and then see what happens.

Isn't that really the most important facet of all of this?
No, it is equally important not to kill patients in the process. And it is extremely important not to have a lead investigator proceed with a prima facia flawed hypothesis - that's flawed on its face, obviously and without question flawed, based on existing scientific evidence. Why would we proceed to investigate a hypotheses already proven to be false? It's insanity.
 

Equipoise

Member
As much as you are trying to finesse this guy, Cort, I can't actually believe that he is in any way appropriate for this study. A normal life experience? "In the absence of any observable physical symptoms?" You've got to be kidding me. If he had a family member or someone close to him who suffered from as much daily pain as I do he would be playing a different tune. I agree with you about 90% of the time, Cort, but in this one, I think you really missed the mark.
 

Katherine Autry

Active Member
I felt confident about that aspect too until I came across one of the study members from NINDS previous papers where they found evidence of autonomic dysfunction in FMD patients (low HRV, same thing they find in ME) and attributed it to stress.


I'm happy we can at least all agree on what's at stake here.

Well, Wallitt has already told us what the results will be. So we already know how this will play out, since he is in charge. What a train wreck. Lot of money going to be wasted, lot of people going to die needlessly.
 

IrisRV

Well-Known Member
Well, Wallitt has already told us what the results will be. So we already know how this will play out, since he is in charge. What a train wreck. Lot of money going to be wasted, lot of people going to die needlessly.
He's not in charge. Not even close. If I understand the NIH correctly, he will be running the clinic where the patients will be seen. He's primarily a paper pusher, an administrator. He is not running any research himself, nor is he in the position to interpret any research.

So while I don't like him being involved, either, I don't think he's in the position to destroy this study. That opportunity lies in the hands of the researchers and the project leader, Dr Nath.

From the NIH:
In terms of trial leadership, Dr. Nath will serve as the Principal Investigator in charge of study design, as well as its execution, analysis and interpretation of the data. As the Lead Associate Investigator, Brain Walitt will assist Dr. Nath with the oversight of the day-to-day clinical operations of the protocol. Dr. Walitt will work with the CDC and the NIH ME/CFS executive committee to coordinate screening of potential participants for the study. He will ensure that participants are provided with clear details of the research study prior to enrollment as part of the NIH informed consent process and will coordinate participants’ care with the local medical providers. He will also help integrate the work of the team of experts who are collaborating in this complex undertaking and will provide clinical oversight for the study participants during their time at the NIH Clinical Center.
 

Seanko

Well-Known Member
I won't comment on Brian Wallitt apart from that he reminds me of the Tennessee Top Hatted star of the Walking Dead...Eugene

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Bon Marie

Member
An MEAction Post titled "NIH lead clinical investigator thinks CFS and fibro are somatoform" has raised a furious storm. It focuses on Brian Walitt- the lead "clinical investigator" in the NIH's Clinical Center study that involves almost 30 other researchers.

The post states:
[fright]View attachment 1012 [/fright]Brian Walitt is the lead clinical investigator for the NIH’s new intramural ME/CFS study. His appointment has raised serious concerns due to his strong views of diseases like chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia as psychosomatic.

In 2015, Walitt co-authored a paper in which it was stated that CFS and fibromyalgia are somatoform illnesses, characterized by a “…discordance between the severity of subjective experience and that of objective impairment.”

Similarly, in an interview with Family Practice News, Walitt described fibromyalgia as a “psychosomatic experience,” part of the “range of normal,” rather than an abnormal disease state; a way of “dealing with the difficulties of just being a human.”

Here is the video and a complete transcription of Dr. Walitt’s video interview “Fibromyalgia doesn’t fit the disease model” for Family Practice News.

Do you think Walitt should be involved in this landmark study? Leave your comments for the NIH below.​

A transcript of an interview with Walitt on fibromyalgia was also posted which has been interpreted to read that Walitts believes FM is not a disease, that patients are not sick, that the disease is all in one's mind.

Not surprisingly, the comments to that were both anguished and furious.
  • "It shows how little you think of our disease and you have no intention of helping us at all."
  • "It is proven to be biological and neurological. Not Psychological"
  • "He is obviously not a specialist in this illness, or he would understand the connection to physical aspects."
  • "This man cannot, I repeat, CANNOT, be a part of anything to do with our studies or our work."
  • "Anyone who believes this is psychosomatic is themselves crazy and should not be on the panel."
One blog went so far as to assert that "Walitt really doesn’t seem to see a point in researching a biological basis for fibromyalgia" and called the study "PACE on steroids".

The Interviewee - the Family Practice Interview

There's no doubt that Wallit's strange interview is subject to multiple interpretations - some of them very upsetting. It's hard to understand. I propose an alternative interpretation to some of the more problematic parts of the short interview: that Walitt is talking about a narrative not a disease.

In the interview Walitt described FM as a difficult disease that the medical profession can’t help that much with. That theme - that the medical profession isn't very good at helping FM patients - runs throughout his work. Wallit has co-authored several papers suggesting that drug therapies provide little real help for FM patients and makes no bones about that. In fact, in another interview, Walitt asserted that "a return to a happy and pain-free life because of modern medicine" basically isn’t happening in FM. He stated:



[fleft]View attachment 1013 [/fleft]Walitt steps into touchy territory, however, when he posits that all experience is psychomatic experience.


Studies indicate that negative emotions or stress often worsen pain and other sensations, etc. and that's probably so for many people with ME/CFS or FM. It's not clear what Walitt means by "these things" when he states the mind is "able to create these things" but he does says that your brain is creating these sensations.

When Walitt talks about a "narrative" people can take to towards FM that can help relieve their suffering, I belief that he's talking an approach to the disease - not about the disease itself. He suggests one such a narrative might be that FM patients are "dealing with the difficulties of just being a human". Given his belief that there's little modern medicine can do to help FM, that approach makes some sense.

This perspective could be construed as being is similar to that seen in Buddhism where having an illness is simply part of being human. We're all going to be sick - have our bodies break down - whether earlier or later - at some point; i.e. this is one of the difficulties of being human.

Wallitt asserted that FM patients brains are creating sensations that are causing them pain and inhibiting them from doing what they want to do. That's inherently upsetting particularly to people in western societies who believe that good health is their god given right but Wallets asserts that that narrative is unhelpful in FM.

Instead of ignoring the pain Walitt suggests that FM patients should allow their behavior to be guided by it. That, of course, is the opposite approach to that suggested by some CBT/GET practices.

He suggests dropping the word sick which has negative connotations and adopting a different narrative that essentially says that bad things can change how our brains work…
It is without a doubt a strange interview. Walitt the researcher, however, is not nearly so problematic.

The Researcher

When you look at Walitt's body of work and, in particular, the paper cited a very different picture emerges, however. Walitt does characterize ME/CFS and FM as psychosomatic disorders but he does not believe they are psychological illness, or that behavioral therapies like CBT are very helpful. Instead he believes that pathophysiological changes in the brain triggered by an immune response are causing these diseases and he proposes that immune modulators are likely to be helpful. In short, he's walking a similar investigative path as Jarred Younger and other ME/CFS researchers.

Walitt has focused mostly on FM and rheumatoid arthritis. His FM prior work included a gene expression study that highlighted immune genes and study suggesting that FM should not be listed as somatoform disorder in the latest DSM revision. Other study topics include childhood maltreatment, SNRI effectiveness, SSRI effectiveness, brain white matter in GWS, PET scans of FM brains, another gene expression paper and symptom scales.

The Psychosomatic Approach

Walitt's statement that FM and chronic fatigue syndrome are psychosomatic disorders occurred in a paper tied Chemobrain: A critical review and causal hypothesis of link between cytokines and epigenetic reprogramming associated with chemotherapy" which Walitt co-authored.

Chemobrain is akin the "brain fog" and "fibro fog" experienced in ME/CFS and fibromyalgia. The cognitive problems in ME/CFS and FM are similar, the paper proposes, to those found in chemobrain.



[fright]View attachment 1014 [/fright]The psychosomatic part comes from Walitt's observation that the cognitive impairment found on tests is more modest than one would expect given the issues cited by patients. That discordance between patient complaints and the results of objective testing is, the authors state, the hallmark of somatoform illnesses. (Overviews of cognitive testing in ME/CFS tend to describe the impairments found as relatively mild.)

The authors believe that the cognitive problems in ME/CS, FM and chemobrain:



They suggest that a variety of triggers including chemotherapy and psychological distress and others are able to trigger illnesses such ME/CFS and FM that alter perception.

Pathophysiological Disorders

The perceptual thesis, however, doesn't mean that these diseases are psychological. Walitt believes the perceptual problems he believes are found in ME/CFS and FM are probably caused by immune dysregulations in the brain and places the "psychosomatic disorders" such as chemobrain (and ME/CFS and FM) firmly within a pathophysiological construct. The authors believe that the
They propose that rapid shifts in cytokines lead to epigenetic alterations that essentially reprogram the brain. How this happens is not clear but the authors propose that cytokine changes begun in the body by the initial trigger get transmitted to the brain where they become permanent. They believe a common pathway in all these diseases exists.

They signal out the microglia as being key players but admit that they have no idea how they affect cognition. They list, though, a number of possible factors many of which many be familiar: glutamate induced damage, altering serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine nerve transmission, GABA, acetylcholine, neuropeptides, and nerve growth factors (BDNF) increased levels of oxidative stress, nitric oxide.

Epigenetic changes which produce permanent changes to gene expression are the key. They point to research indicating that epigenetics play a critical role "brain development, memory formation, and more importantly, in regulation of learning and memory."

When turning to treatment they turn not to CBT or psychological therapies but immunomodulating drugs such as monoclonal antibodies (e.g. Rituximab), TNF-a reducing agents (etanercept), P2×7 antagonists, BDNF enhancers, S-adenosyl methionine (SAM), Betaine and histone deacetylases. They're exploring many of the same biological pathways that researchers exploring neuroinflammation and others posit are involved in ME/CFS.

Finally, in a paragraph that could be taken right of the study protocols for ME/CFS, they propose administering a "major physiologic stress" (e.g. exercise) and observing its biological ramifications to uncover the mechanisms at work.

Conclusions

In these complex and evolving areas it's best to assess researchers on their broad bodies of work. Because no consensus about the kinds of diseases ME/CFS and FM are has been reached in the medical community they're viewed in a variety of ways. It's interesting that researchers who may categorize the diseases differently may nevertheless largely agree on what might be causing them. Such is the complex world we live in.

[fleft]View attachment 1015 [/fleft]Walitt and his colleagues belief that whatever is happening in ME/CFS and FM is mainly altering perception may rankle. It's important to note, though, that Walitt does not propose altering disease beliefs or mindsets; the problems in these diseases are more entrenched than these simple solutions. Nor does he believe that one can push through these diseases; patients should allow the symptoms produced in them to guide them in their behaviors.

Instead what Walitt believes are causing these diseases, how he purposes to study them and how he proposes to treat them is broadly in line with much ME/CFS and FM thought. He proposes these diseases are immunologically caused and that immunological treatments will ultimately be used to defeat them. He also proposes that severe physiological stressors be employed to identify the mechanisms causing them. That's a study protocol, of course, that has been employed successfully in ME/CFS for quite some time.

Next Up - A Look at the NIH's Clinical Center Study
Am I to conclude from Dr Walitt's paper & video that FM, ME/CFS, are manifestations of the patient? I have been sick with ME/CFS, cycling remission/relapse for almost 20 years. I recently acquired Mast Cell Activation as well. My mindset has always been to be healthy! I find Dr W's comments ignorant & insulting. I appreciate other's perspectives, but remain concerned with ANY involvement he has in ANY of the NIH research of ME/CFS & FM. Hey doc, "Try walking a mile in my shoes~oh crap, I can barely get from my bed to the kitchen; so maybe you can try crawling to use the loo & then psychoanalyze that crap…"
 

IrisRV

Well-Known Member
I appreciate other's perspectives, but remain concerned with ANY involvement he has in ANY of the NIH research of ME/CFS & FM.
I don't know that any patient is happy with Walitt being involved. :yuck: However, I don't think he's going anywhere. The NIH wants him as the paper pusher running the clinic and they're not backing down. Given that's the case, I think we need to maintain perspective about how much damage he can actually do given his position (not much) and save our energy for more effective battles.
 

Tiina

New Member
To an earlier post in this thread:
When [kamodio] says "cure" I think he means totally cured - bang the disease is gone.

Cort you are correct. I'm definitely not cured. But I have definitely been helped out a lot by medication and stuff...

Seeksassy: It's true (though rarely) that you can recover from CFS; I believe for example Jacob Teitelbaum stands as a great evidence for that.
 
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Cort

Founder of Health Rising and Phoenix Rising
Staff member
I won't comment on Brian Wallitt apart from that he reminds me of the Tennessee Top Hatted star of the Walking Dead...Eugene

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Lisette

New Member
YES! THIS PAPER that Walitt wrote with Frederick Wolfe, a rheumatologist who got notoriety in a NYTimes Article, by claiming that fibromyalgia was a psychogenic illness that had been wrongly legitimized as a physiological illness. They are dismayed that this came about by patient groups, their doctors, Pharma, lawyers and academics (all painted as opportunists) until Social Security Disability Benefits were approved.

In the paper that KME posted, Wolfe and Walitt argue that fibromyalgia started out as a PsychoGENIC illness that became a pscyhoCULTURAL illness, and should have remained that way, or disappeared altogether, like neurasthenia. They argue that it should be considered a "Dimensional Condition". A Dimensional Condition is how the DSM are classifying personality disorders. A "Dimensional Condition" is a definition to be separated out from a Categorical Disease Definition.

This paper was written only a few years ago. So, why would this person, in particular, be chosen as a director for the study?
It's hard for me to not think that this person was chosen because he is of the belief that fibromyalgia should never have been legitimized as a discrete illness. They have an opinion on the existence of fibromyalgia in relation to the NIH:

“Patient organizations also played an important role. For patients, a scientifically valid fibromyalgia provided legitimation of symptoms and entre into acceptable diagnosis.6 Patients groups sprung-up, organized, published journals, and spread worldwide as the Internet expanded.59, 60 They lobbied the US congress, state legislatures and the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and their persistence was an important force in persuading a doubting NIH that funds should go to fibromyalgia research. Between 1996-1999 Social Security disability became available."

Out of so many possible researchers, why is this particular person in a titled position?
 

Seven

Well-Known Member
If we know anything about how insurances / lobbiest work then we need to not take this lightly.
1) if they water down the entry patients, the study can be a mess and no amount of data analyzing will save us.
2) no matter if you take Walli away, if there is an agenda it will happen. The best way is to have a representative of our interest people we trust in there.

3) we cannot take this sooooo lightly or we'll end up like UK for the other next 30 years. How did they bury ME all this years?! Use the past to predict the future. They are int he wrong is of the wise to be prepared. Is not about being hateful. Is about learning about past experiences for you to be wiser today. What can we do so all the error s made in the past are not repeated again. We will be responsible for not only our lives but the next 30 years of patients. If I could talk to the patients of the cfs time fiasco, I would beg them to be more proactive and assertive. The smart people learn from the experiences to avoid the same mistakes. Is not about W, is about putting safeguard in place to make sure we do not fail.
4) create accountability: how we got here? Talking and all this lets wait and see atittude is naive. When the other is on the wrong has to accommodate the damaged party to reassure of good results. Taking the word of an organization that has only mistreat us is just crazy in my book. Actions speak louder than words. When actions and words contradict each other you need to ask yourslef why. They say they wnat change yet they slap us w the expert they selected. Food for thought.
 

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