The Psychosomatic Researcher in the NIH's Big Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS) Study

Cecelia

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I'd be interested in hearing the rationale given for hiring him. Who hired him and exactly why-- I think those questions need to be asked. I understand that the answer might be partially dishonest and politically based or intended, yet I think we should have the people responsible for chosing this lead researcher on the record as to why they chose him.

Next, I do not feel confident that the data they get from this study will be entirely pertinant or generalizable--not only because the number of people being tested is so small, but also because the subjects all had an acute infectious onset--not true of a significant number of us--and that the subjects have only been sick for no more than five years. Even with this group they ought to be separating out the shorter term patients from the longer term, given the striking differences found Dr. Hornig's study, as mixing them together will tend to cancel out some of the potential discoveries.

Additionally--always--the kinds of tests to be used may not be as revelatory or determinative as they believe.
if a patient has a broken left leg and only the right one is examined, is it correct to say there is nothing wrong? There has been so much ignorant and inappropriate forms of testing, followed by the conclusions that therefore nothing/nothing much could be wrong, that I feel quite sceptical that this expensive effort from the NIH will result in valid, useful discoveries about what is really going on in our illnesses.

What this may amount to is further delay and further entrenchment in the unhelpful, harmful, approaches of the past. What can we do to pull their heads out of the sand and get their feet out of this cement?
 
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Brian Walitt is misunderstanding one significant factor. There is a difference between (1) emotions or response to emotion creating physical symptoms, and (2) hormones triggered by emotions causing symptoms in the body. My one severe episode of significant paralysis (took about 14 hours to regain ability to walk on my own after recovering from point that I couldn't move arms, legs or even turn over.) Took three days to be back to my normal. This was the result of one scary night of a severe windstorm when an 87 foot spruce fell on our house and did damage. About 18 hours later I took a nap and woke partially paralyzed. Totally unexpected, so not related to expectation of this symptom. But after bad experiences with uninformed emergency room doctors - didn't go, so I didn't get labs at that time. However, at another time a doctor did do a cortisol test on me that came back abnormal. My cortisol levels were normal in first draw. Then she gave me an adrenalin shot and twenty minutes later took another blood draw for the responding cortisol level. She was expecting a possible reduced increase in cortisol in response to adrenalin. Instead of any increase, there was a significant decrease in cortisol level and I was exhausted, uncoordinated and dizzy, but no paralysis. She had no information as to how to interpret or respond to a decrease, so the test was filed an nothing was done. But a cortisol drop in response to an adrenalin increase is a significant problem and in no way psychosomatic.
 

Cecelia

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Brian Walitt is misunderstanding one significant factor. There is a difference between (1) emotions or response to emotion creating physical symptoms, and (2) hormones triggered by emotions causing symptoms in the body. My one severe episode of significant paralysis (took about 14 hours to regain ability to walk on my own after recovering from point that I couldn't move arms, legs or even turn over.) Took three days to be back to my normal. This was the result of one scary night of a severe windstorm when an 87 foot spruce fell on our house and did damage. About 18 hours later I took a nap and woke partially paralyzed. Totally unexpected, so not related to expectation of this symptom. But after bad experiences with uninformed emergency room doctors - didn't go, so I didn't get labs at that time. However, at another time a doctor did do a cortisol test on me that came back abnormal. My cortisol levels were normal in first draw. Then she gave me an adrenalin shot and twenty minutes later took another blood draw for the responding cortisol level. She was expecting a possible reduced increase in cortisol in response to adrenalin. Instead of any increase, there was a significant decrease in cortisol level and I was exhausted, uncoordinated and dizzy, but no paralysis. She had no information as to how to interpret or respond to a decrease, so the test was filed an nothing was done. But a cortisol drop in response to an adrenalin increase is a significant problem and in no way psychosomatic.
This goes to the crucial importance of testing after a signifcant stressor--or better, a second day of stress and testing. Coral I have the same experience as you do with adrenal depletion and exhaustion after an adrenaline response to anything.
 

Dee VanDine

Member
An MEAction Post titled "NIH lead clinical investigator thinks CFS and fibro are somatoform" has raised a furious storm. It focuses on Brian Walitt- the lead "clinical investigator" in the NIH's Clinical Center study that involves almost 30 other researchers.

The post states:
[fright]View attachment 1012 [/fright]Brian Walitt is the lead clinical investigator for the NIH’s new intramural ME/CFS study. His appointment has raised serious concerns due to his strong views of diseases like chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia as psychosomatic.

In 2015, Walitt co-authored a paper in which it was stated that CFS and fibromyalgia are somatoform illnesses, characterized by a “…discordance between the severity of subjective experience and that of objective impairment.”

Similarly, in an interview with Family Practice News, Walitt described fibromyalgia as a “psychosomatic experience,” part of the “range of normal,” rather than an abnormal disease state; a way of “dealing with the difficulties of just being a human.”

Here is the video and a complete transcription of Dr. Walitt’s video interview “Fibromyalgia doesn’t fit the disease model” for Family Practice News.

Do you think Walitt should be involved in this landmark study? Leave your comments for the NIH below.​

A transcript of an interview with Walitt on fibromyalgia was also posted which has been interpreted to read that Walitts believes FM is not a disease, that patients are not sick, that the disease is all in one's mind.

Not surprisingly, the comments to that were both anguished and furious.
  • "It shows how little you think of our disease and you have no intention of helping us at all."
  • "It is proven to be biological and neurological. Not Psychological"
  • "He is obviously not a specialist in this illness, or he would understand the connection to physical aspects."
  • "This man cannot, I repeat, CANNOT, be a part of anything to do with our studies or our work."
  • "Anyone who believes this is psychosomatic is themselves crazy and should not be on the panel."
One blog went so far as to assert that "Walitt really doesn’t seem to see a point in researching a biological basis for fibromyalgia" and called the study "PACE on steroids".

The Interviewee - the Family Practice Interview

There's no doubt that Wallace's strange interview is subject to multiple interpretations - some of them very upsetting. It's hard to understand. I propose an alternative interpretation to some of the more problematic parts of the short interview: that Walitt's is talking about a narrative not a disease.

In the interview Walitt described FM as a difficult disease that the medical profession can’t help that much with. That theme - that the medical profession isn't very good at helping FM patients - runs throughout his work. Wallits has co-authored several papers suggesting that drug therapies provide little real help for FM patients and makes no bones about that. In fact, in another interview, Walitts asserted that "a return to a happy and pain-free life because of modern medicine" basically isn’t happening in FM. He stated:



[fleft]View attachment 1013 [/fleft]Walitt's steps into touchy territory, however, when he posits that all experience is psychomatic experience.


Studies indicate that negative emotions or stress often worsen pain and other sensations, etc. and that's probably so for many people with ME/CFS or FM. It's not clear what Walitt means by "these things" when he states the mind is "able to create these things" but he does says that your brain is creating these sensations.

When Walitts talks about a "narrative" people can take to towards FM that can help relieve their suffering, I belief that he's talking an approach to the disease - not about the disease itself. He suggests one such a narrative might be that FM patients are "dealing with the difficulties of just being a human". Given his belief that there's little modern medicine can do to help FM, that approach makes some sense.

This perspective could be construed as being is similar to that seen in Buddhism where having an illness is simply part of being human. We're all going to be sick - have our bodies break down - whether earlier or later - at some point; i.e. this is one of the difficulties of being human.

Wallets asserted that FM patients brains are creating sensations that are causing them pain and inhibiting them from doing what they want to do. That's inherently upsetting particularly to people in western societies who believe that good health is their god given right but Wallets asserts that that narrative is unhelpful in FM.

Instead of ignoring the pain Walitts suggests that FM patients should allow their behavior to be guided by it. That, of course, is the opposite approach to that suggested by some CBT/GET practices.

He suggests dropping the word sick which has negative connotations and adopting a different narrative that essentially says that bad things can change how our brains work…
It is without a doubt a strange interview. Walitt's the researcher, however, is not nearly so problematic.

The Researcher

When you look at Walitt's body of work and, in particular, the paper cited a very different picture emerges, however. Walitt's does characterize ME/CFS and FM as psychosomatic disorders but he does not believe they are psychological illness, or that behavioral therapies like CBT are very helpful. Instead he believes that pathophysiological changes in the brain triggered by an immune response are causing these diseases and he proposes that immune modulators are likely to be helpful. In short, he's walking a similar investigative path as Jarred Younger and other ME/CFS researchers.

Walitt's has focused mostly on FM and rheumatoid arthritis. His FM prior work included a gene expression study that highlighted immune genes and study suggesting that FM should not be listed as somatoform disorder in the latest DSM revision. Other study topics include childhood maltreatment, SNRI effectiveness, SSRI effectiveness, brain white matter in GWS, PET scans of FM brains, another gene expression paper and symptom scales.

The Psychosomatic Approach

Walitt's statement that FM and chronic fatigue syndrome are psychosomatic disorders occurred in a paper tied Chemobrain: A critical review and causal hypothesis of link between cytokines and epigenetic reprogramming associated with chemotherapy" which Walitt's co-authored.

Chemobrain is akin the "brain fog" and "fibro fog" experienced in ME/CFS and fibromyalgia. The cognitive problems in ME/CFS and FM are similar, the paper proposes, to those found in chemobrain.



[fright]View attachment 1014 [/fright]The psychosomatic part comes from Walitt's observation that the cognitive impairment found on tests is more modest than one would expect given the issues cited by patients. That discordance between patient complaints and the results of objective testing is, the authors state, the hallmark of somatoform illnesses. (Overviews of cognitive testing in ME/CFS tend to describe the impairments found as relatively mild.)

The authors believe that the cognitive problems in ME/CS, FM and chemobrain:



They suggest that a variety of triggers including chemotherapy and psychological distress and others are able to trigger illnesses such ME/CFS and FM that alter perception.

Pathophysiological Disorders

The perceptual thesis, however, doesn't mean that these diseases are psychological. Walitt's believes the perceptual problems he believes are found in ME/CFS and FM are probably caused by immune dysregulations in the brain and places the "psychosomatic disorders" such as chemobrain (and ME/CFS and FM) firmly within a pathophysiological construct. The authors believe that the
They propose that rapid shifts in cytokines lead to epigenetic alterations that essentially reprogram the brain. How this happens is not clear but the authors propose that cytokine changes begun in the body by the initial trigger get transmitted to the brain where they become permanent. They believe a common pathway in all these diseases exists.

They signal out the microglia as being key players but admit that they have no idea how they affect cognition. They list, though, a number of possible factors many of which many be familiar: glutamate induced damage, altering serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine nerve transmission, GABA, acetylcholine, neuropeptides, and nerve growth factors (BDNF) increased levels of oxidative stress, nitric oxide.

Epigenetic changes which produce permanent changes to gene expression are the key. They point to research indicating that epigenetics play a critical role "brain development, memory formation, and more importantly, in regulation of learning and memory."

When turning to treatment they turn not to CBT or psychological therapies but immunomodulating drugs such as monoclonal antibodies (e.g. Rituximab), TNF-a reducing agents (etanercept), P2×7 antagonists, BDNF enhancers, S-adenosyl methionine (SAM), Betaine and histone deacetylases. They're exploring many of the same biological pathways that researchers exploring neuroinflammation and others posit are involved in ME/CFS.

Finally, in a paragraph that could be taken right of the study protocols for ME/CFS, they propose administering a "major physiologic stress" (e.g. exercise) and observing its biological ramifications to uncover the mechanisms at work.

Conclusions

In these complex and evolving areas it's best to assess researchers on their broad bodies of work. Because no consensus about the kinds of diseases ME/CFS and FM are has been reached in the medical community they're viewed in a variety of ways. It's interesting that researchers who may categorize the diseases differently may nevertheless largely agree on what might be causing them. Such is the complex world we live in.

[fleft]View attachment 1015 [/fleft]Walitt's and his colleagues belief that whatever is happening in ME/CFS and FM is mainly altering perception may rankle. It's important to note, though, that Wallits does not propose altering disease beliefs or mindsets; the problems in these diseases are more entrenched than these simple solutions. Nor does he believe that one can push through these diseases; patients should allow the symptoms produced in them to guide them in their behaviors.

Instead what Walitts believes are causing these diseases, how he purposes to study them and how he proposes to treat them is largely in line with much ME/CFS and FM thought. He proposes these diseases are immunologically caused and that immunological treatments will ultimately be used to defeat them. He also proposes that severe physiological stressors be employed to identify the mechanisms causing them. That's a study protocol, of course, that has been employed successfully in ME/CFS for quite some time.

Next Up - A Look at the NIH's Clinical Center Study
thanks, cort, for a more balanced view.
 

waiting

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But @Cort, the 2-day CPET results, reproduced by at least 2 research groups, confirming the original discovery & research by Staci Stevens, are objective measures -- not in any way related to perception. So, how do they fit into this researcher's perception theory?
 

Nans125

New Member
I appreciate your points Cort, and that you are trying to broaden our understanding of what he is saying. But I cannot believe he is the lead researcher and a psychologist to boot. Of course he is going to lump everything into psychology instead of looking at the physical. He is just another one of the doctors and other people who want to lump this illness into something neat and tidy so they feel better. That's easy for them. But they've had no actual experience with it, they don't have a clue what it is and their theories are worthless when they go at this with such a close-minded, narrow viewpoint.
 
This goes to the crucial importance of testing after a signifcant stressor--or better, a second day of stress and testing. Coral I have the same experience as you do with adrenal depletion and exhaustion after an adrenaline response to anything.
I can count on an increase in symptoms about 12-20 hours after a big adrenalin hit. But this fall, after a year of doing well enough to watch a newborn full-time (we took naps together and she didn't travel much yet), I spent one very physical nine hour day helping a friend haul boxes and move. I deteriorated over the next three days and had diarreah, exhaustion, dizzy, foggy, headache, severe pain all over and swelling AND was due for a blood test because we were watching thyroid. So I had someone drive and help me to blood test. Four weeks previous, my TSH had been .74 - that week it was suddenly 7.40 (a ten fold decrease in thyroid production.) So not only a low cortisol problem, but the autoimmune attack increased greatly in response to severe physical stress (we had a group and were having fun. I had to take aspirin and caffeine to keep going and deteriorated over the day until I could no longer carry anything heavier than a grocery bag of clothes and could no longer walk normally or stand up straight.) So it wasn't technically an adrenalin hit, unless you count my body producing adrenalin just to try to keep up with physically overdoing it.
 

Cort

Founder of Health Rising and Phoenix Rising
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But @Cort, the 2-day CPET results, reproduced by at least 2 research groups, confirming the original discovery & research by Staci Stevens, are objective measures -- not in any way related to perception. So, how do they fit into this researcher's perception theory?
I don't think they do! This is where his hypothesis falls down and where I believe his eyes will be opened by this study. He'll have to give up his hypothesis :woot:
 

Cort

Founder of Health Rising and Phoenix Rising
Staff member
I'd be interested in hearing the rationale given for hiring him. Who hired him and exactly why-- I think those questions need to be asked. I understand that the answer might be partially dishonest and politically based or intended, yet I think we should have the people responsible for chosing this lead researcher on the record as to why they chose him.

Next, I do not feel confident that the data they get from this study will be entirely pertinant or generalizable--not only because the number of people being tested is so small, but also because the subjects all had an acute infectious onset--not true of a significant number of us--and that the subjects have only been sick for no more than five years. Even with this group they ought to be separating out the shorter term patients from the longer term, given the striking differences found Dr. Hornig's study, as mixing them together will tend to cancel out some of the potential discoveries.

Additionally--always--the kinds of tests to be used may not be as revelatory or determinative as they believe.
if a patient has a broken left leg and only the right one is examined, is it correct to say there is nothing wrong? There has been so much ignorant and inappropriate forms of testing, followed by the conclusions that therefore nothing/nothing much could be wrong, that I feel quite sceptical that this expensive effort from the NIH will result in valid, useful discoveries about what is really going on in our illnesses.

What this may amount to is further delay and further entrenchment in the unhelpful, harmful, approaches of the past. What can we do to pull their heads out of the sand and get their feet out of this cement?
It may be because he's one of the few FM researchers but it also may be because that this hypothesis - that the immune system has gone bananas in the brain and is causing symptoms (perceptions?) - and that you can figure out what's going on here by hitting patients with a physical stressor - obviously tracks very well with several ME/CFS hypotheses...

I understand about the short-term part. Most of us are long duration patients...I think though that they simply tacked onto the group that has the best chance of showing them something...which is really important to build momentum for more ME/CFS research .It's unfortunately for us non-infectious onset longer duration patients. However, it may be true that some of the findings will apply; that any type of onset triggers a dysfunction in the same pathways. If they can figure out what pathways are acting up early on that would be really something.
 

Cort

Founder of Health Rising and Phoenix Rising
Staff member
Hi Cort

I've read the paper carefully now. Initially my take was similar to yours ie nothing very different from what others think, but I'm afraid that's wrong (someone else put me right). I think the authors wanted us to reach that interpreation too.

Sadly NOT the case - he explicitly says FM/mecfs are 'physiologic' which means normal, as opposed to pathological. (I initially thought as you wrote above, but on careful inpsection its not the case, see
http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?posts/699695/ )

Not really, beyond saying peripheral changes in cytokines can influence microglia, But a completely different hypothesis to Younger, amongst others, who see the problem as pathological long-term activation of microglia driving things. By contrast, Walitt et al do a lot of handwaving about epigenetics (the trendiest things going - epigenetics are likely to be involved in any long-term changes but the paper fails to explaini how this would work in chemobrain, mecfs or fibro). If you can explain the mechanism epigenetics causes symptoms, I'd love to hear it. I suspect the authors would too.

Hey, I wish it were not so, but I'm afraid his view are clear.

Oh, this is fun too, from a 2012 Nature reivew Walitt co-authored:

The fibromyalgia controversy Fibromyalgia is a contested illness,3 a type of illness “where sufferers claim to have a specific disease that many physicians do not recognize or acknowledge as distinctly medical.”4 The underlying controversy is about whether the disorder is “real,” not in one’s head, not psychosomatic; and not primarily a social construction or psychocultural disorder.5, 6 A psychocultural disorder is one that is shaped primarily by psychological factors and societal influences, although other factors can also contribute. The primary contemporary dispute about fibromyalgia is whether psychocultural factors explain fibromyalgia content or whether fibromyalgia is largely a product of disordered central pain processing.7

The evidence for a psychocultural disorder is strong....

You get the drift.

Whatever else is true about Walitt, he ain't an example of mainstream mecfs researcher thinking.

Does it really matter if he thinks the microglial or another form of immune activation is causing the problem? And really, if you're talking about immune activation in the brain - aren't you mostly saying the microglia?

I also strongly disagree with your dismissal of epigenetics as if it's just another vogue topic. It took me one PubMed search to pretty quickly come up with this

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26875778

Both active DNA (de)methylation and regulation of chromatin structure have been validated as crucial regulators of gene transcription during learning. The discovery of protein synthesis dependence on the acquisition of behavioral change was an influential discovery in the neurochemistry of behavioral modification. Higher-order cognitive functions such as decision making and spatial and language learning were also discovered to hinge on neural plasticity mechanisms.

and this

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26400942

Thus, epigenetic mechanisms act to regulate sensory cortical plasticity, which offers an information processing mechanism for gating what and how much is encoded to produce exceptionally persistent and vivid memories. Significance statement: Here we provide evidence of an epigenetic mechanism for information processing.

and this

Brain Res. 2015 Dec 2;1628(Pt B):265-72. doi: 10.1016/j.brainres.2015.07.034. Epub 2015 Jul 30.Epigenetics and therapeutic targets mediating neuroprotection.Qureshi IA1, Mehler MF2.

The rapidly evolving science of epigenetics is transforming our understanding of the nervous system in health and disease and holds great promise for the development of novel diagnostic and therapeutic approaches targeting neurological diseases. Increasing evidence suggests that epigenetic factors and mechanisms serve as important mediators of the pathogenic processes that lead to irrevocable neural injury and of countervailing homeostatic and regenerative responses. Epigenetics is, therefore, of considerable translational significance to the field of neuroprotection. In this brief review, we provide an overview of epigenetic mechanisms and highlight the emerging roles played by epigenetic processes in neural cell dysfunction and death and in resultant neuroprotective responses. This article is part of a Special Issue entitled SI: Neuroprotection.
 

Cort

Founder of Health Rising and Phoenix Rising
Staff member
Based on everything I have heard about this study so far, it is my assessment that we as a community need to be working together to insist that the whole thing be abandoned.

Whether we can succeed in getting the study to be abandoned, I don't know. But I think that it is important to get that kind of vehement objection on the record, for political reasons.

Because this whole thing sounds like very bad news indeed.
Wow...You do realize that there's like 20 plus researchers involved including exercise physiologists, neurologists, virologist and immunologists and that they are going to do a 2-day exercise test...and will be testing the ANS, doing multiple brain scans, a spinal and testing thousands of factors

Can you explain why you feel that way?
 

Cort

Founder of Health Rising and Phoenix Rising
Staff member
Cort, Thanks for the analysis. As I read the MEAction post, I was upset by the thought that someone who thought ME was psychosomatic would be guiding research. As I read on, it seemed the article took the worst possible interpretation of the comments it assessed. Your more measured assessment led me to separate his research from his comments regarding a philosophy for living with this chronic illness. For what it's worth, I firmly believe that ME/CFS is real, and the personal philosophy I have developed for living with chronic illness is very similar to his comments that are quoted in your article. Thanks for helping reduce my stress level today!
Thanks.
 

Cort

Founder of Health Rising and Phoenix Rising
Staff member
Hi Cort

I've read the paper carefully now. Initially my take was similar to yours ie nothing very different from what others think, but I'm afraid that's wrong (someone else put me right). I think the authors wanted us to reach that interpreation too.


Sadly NOT the case - he explicitly says FM/mecfs are 'physiologic' which means normal, as opposed to pathological. (I initially thought as you wrote above, but on careful inpsection its not the case, see
http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?posts/699695/ )



Not really, beyond saying peripheral changes in cytokines can influence microglia, But a completely differeny hypothesis to Younger, amongst others, who see the problem as pathological long-term activation of microglia driving things. By contrast, Walitt et al do a lot of handwaving about epigenetics (the trendiest things going - epigenetics are likely to be involved in any long-term changes but the paper fails to explaini how this would work in chemobrain, mecfs or fibro). If you can explain the mechanism epigenetics causes symptoms, I'd love to hear it. I suspect the authors would too.

Hey, I wish it were not so, but I'm afraid his view are clear.

Oh, this is fun too, from a 2012 Nature reivew Walitt co-authored:

The fibromyalgia controversy Fibromyalgia is a contested illness,3 a type of illness “where sufferers claim to have a specific disease that many physicians do not recognize or acknowledge as distinctly medical.”4 The underlying controversy is about whether the disorder is “real,” not in one’s head, not psychosomatic; and not primarily a social construction or psychocultural disorder.5, 6 A psychocultural disorder is one that is shaped primarily by psychological factors and societal influences, although other factors can also contribute. The primary contemporary dispute about fibromyalgia is whether psychocultural factors explain fibromyalgia content or whether fibromyalgia is largely a product of disordered central pain processing.7

The evidence for a psychocultural disorder is strong....

You get the drift.

Whatever else is true about Walitt, he ain't an example of mainstream mecfs researcher thinking.
Furthermore Simon where does Walitt et al avoid stating their beliefs? It seems pretty clear to me.

We speculate that a variety of well-defined neuronal mechanisms enable peripheral cytokines to induce central cytokine changes, which trigger a subsequent cascade of neurological events as described below that lead to the experience of chemobrain

the authors hypothesize that the administration of chemotherapy agents initiates a cascade of biological changes, with short-lived alterations in the cytokine milieu inducing persistent epigenetic alterations (Fig. 2). These epigenetic changes eventually lead to gene expression changes, altering metabolic activity and neuronal transmission that are responsible for generating the subjective experience of cognition.

The hypothesis seems pretty black and white.

This abrupt immunologic change acts as a trigger that ushers in a series of functional alterations in the genome, from = which the symptoms of cognitive dysfunction stem.

There is powerful evidence that demonstrates that cytokine release is a very early response to environmental change and enables downstream physiologic changes in organisms. Conversely, epigenetic changes appear to occur towards the end of responses to environmental change and can persist indefinitely.

I don't see any psychology here at all. In the end I see a list of possible immunological treatments.
 

Sarah L

New Member
The thing that seems not useful about this guy is that his mind is not open, like a researcher wanting answers. He has his mind made up on so many aspects. The leader of a research study needs the right medical training and an open mind to uncover new facts that might lead to treatments, or at least support a good diagnosis. If his study does not ask if patients every get back to work, then it will be PACE repeated. Have to get off that pathway, for sure. Mind body means what I think makes me sick or makes me ill. If he really thinks there is damage in the brain, then he should work on that notion clearly. But as you write, Cort, he does not speak clearly, with his interviews saying one thing and his studies authored implying something else. How do we know he is not the token (or influential) mind-body theorist on each study he co-authors? Unless more information about him is uncovered, he sounds flaky, putting perhaps good data into a weak theory, which well get nowhere as fast as PACE did.
 

Nancy

New Member
It's hard to get my mind past the simple facts that the ultimate goal of the study is treatments, and yet the lead clinical investigator hired has indicated he does not believe the disease and its symptoms necessarily fall outside the range of normal. I can't imagine why the lead clinical investigator hired is not an expert who at MINIMUM understands that our symptoms are NOT responses to the difficulties of life. I appreciate the possibilities you put forward, Cort, and am encouraged by the range of experts included in this study. I would have preferred a much larger sampling of participants, but am looking forward to the findings. I sincerely hope Brian Walitt never has to discover through personal experience that his hypothesis is misguided, and that he learns so the much less difficult way - through valid, scientific research - perhaps even his own.
 

IrisRV

Well-Known Member
ETA: I'm sorry.:( I was wrong, wrong, wrong about Dr Walitt's qualifications. He is a rheumatologist with medical and research training. I honestly don't know where I got the idea he is a psychologist. I can only guess at this point. :eggonface:

Pretty much everything I said below is wrong. I leave it only to avoid further confusing people who may have read it earlier and are now wondering where they got the idea he's a psycholgist.

Let's get down to brass tacks. Does anyone with a psychology doctorate, a person with no medical training, belong in the position of lead clinical investigator on a large and critical biomedical study of our illness? Particularly when the individual has indicated that he currently has no understanding of most of the biomedical research, findings, and treatments? I contend not.

If his psychological/spiritual/philosophical approach to ME/CFS is needed (a point on which patients strongly disagree), then the position of investigator on one small segment of the study is appropriate. His hypotheses can be tested like all the others if some feel that approach is necessary.

Putting someone with no medical clinical experience with this illness, no medical training, and little understanding of biomedical features of the illness in the position of lead clinical investigator simply isn't appropriate.

If they need a person to lead the clinical investigations, then get someone who knows something about it. Someone with medical clinical experience, for example. Even someone trained in medicine at all is better than a psychologist as a leader of clinical investigations.

We can argue about whether his philosophy of the illness is sound or not. In this context, that's not really relevant. The man is simply not qualified to lead a predominantly biomedical clinical investigation. Get a medically trained person to lead clinical investigations, for heaven's sake. Is that so hard?
 
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ShyestofFlies

Well-Known Member
Despite this guys involvement I still have very high hopes for the study based on the video. I will be commenting and signing a petition against his involvement based on some of his offensive comments, particularly the imagery from some of his power point presentations. I think after how long this fight has been going we deserve a baseline amount of respect, and this man simply does not posess that. I don't think we should "settle" when it comes to him just because the other professionals are good.

From what I understand he will be vital to the selection process of who the study participants will be- and I'm just not convinced he is a reliable person for that job.
 

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