Vegan Doctors

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In the uk the media has cottoned onto the fact that med. Diet helps minimise heart attacks. The headline even went so far as to say doctors should be prescribing vegetables instead of pills (because it works better). British Heart Foundation should be 100% on board with the plant based diet! (The only diet scientifically proven to REVERSE heart damage).

 

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Also Reduction in days of monthly cycle from 6 to 3. I have heard people can stop monthly cycle altogether. Quite appeals.

Am eating more calories than using and flooding body with nourishment and fluids on hclf.
The thrill of this big result is gone and I want more results.

 

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Scrapping what I said about yoga. Got pem. Throbbing throat, swollen lymph glands, foggy blocked head, sinusitis flare. Muscle fatigue. Fatigue.

Additional calories finally showing up in mybody. Just checking. It took a long time though. Where were they all going?

Currently have a 31 inch waist. Don't think thats considered fat, will have to check. I think this is upper limit in Japan where it is illegal to be fat!

 

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Scrapping what I said about yoga. Got pem. Throbbing throat, swollen lymph glands, foggy blocked head, sinusitis flare. Muscle fatigue. Fatigue.

Additional calories finally showing up in mybody. Just checking. It took a long time though. Where were they all going?

Currently have a 31 inch waist. Don't think thats considered fat, will have to check. I think this is upper limit in Japan where it is illegal to be fat!

I didn't lose much weight on the McDougal plan. I think there is too many grains and sugars. I still plan to be mostly vegan but without grains and lower glycemic fruits. No refined anything. I had to go back to being mostly vegan as eating more animal products started affecting my kidneys again. So it for sure helps some things.

Issie

 

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I didn't lose much weight on the McDougal plan. I think there is too many grains and sugars. I still plan to be mostly vegan but without grains and lower glycemic fruits. No refined anything. I had to go back to being mostly vegan as eating more animal products started affecting my kidneys again. So it for sure helps some things.

Issie

Sorry Issie I am not sure I have explained my post correctly. Foggy brain, so ignore this if I make things more cloudy.

I was trying to put on weight. I wondered if in order to heal my body, my body required many more additional c alories so I started piling them in. True enough, it is only recently I noticed a bit of weight gain. The amount of calories - I should be cycling a few miles a day on.

My own personal opinion is that sugar, carbs, grains etc. Don't make you fat - fat makes you fat. But I am aware there are opposing spectrums.
Where are the calories going? Why is the energy not manifesting? I was wondering. Digestion -fixed. Eating plenty high nutrition. I did forget with the seaweed so maybe this has been the big slip up - suddenly no iodine and the returning of the throbbing throat. I was eating a packet of nori sushi a day for a few days there ()even though the video said no more than 1 a week)

I measured my waist this morning again and it is 29 inches. I don't know if its normal to have the waist fluctuate - probably. On the low fat, high carb, cellulite melted away, and my body became toned looking which is great all without exercise he he.

I was doing well, was stretching loads, couldnt help doing it, but then the yoga has given me terrible pem. Internal chills and a fever that wont come out. Feels really rough but am recovering.

 

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Sounds like you are having bloating with the measurement gains. It can happen. I'm having trouble with my kidneys again and edema comes with that. Going back stricter on diet - helped before.

Issie

 

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Sounds like you are having bloating with the measurement gains. It can happen. I'm having trouble with my kidneys again and edema comes with that. Going back stricter on diet - helped before.

Issie

Sorry to hear that, hope it heals quickly. For me, I think its just a fluctuation, am not bloated and no leg/ankle swelling etc. 30.5 Inches today

 

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Third night in a row have a set route I am cycling. 2.6 Miles in total. Three hills. Plan to continue each night. May the cycling gods shine on me. keeping it purposefully a short cycle.
Am almost sweating which is new instead of going deathly cold during and after exercise.

Been doing weights, heavier garden work. Recovered well after the yoga mistake.
Walking dog every day.
Pretty active.

Going good. Good going.

Eta: bike broke after three nights in a row. Waiting for another to arrive. Disappointed about this as I was trying a set schedule, consistent. On reflection, I may just do x3 a week for a fewweeks as I was triggering pem. Maybe this was the gods shining on me as my mindset was cycle or die lol.

 

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This was fun to watch. Twin Doctors. One went on hclf the other on hf diet for a month. High Carb twin happier, healthier, won the bike race, won the cognitive test.

 

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New strong starch tastebud found seperate to sugar! "Confirms we are starchitarians" Interesting McDougalls says the tastebud for fat is an aversion one which I would never have agreed with until recently. It absolubtely felt like that when putting the high carb low fat diet into full use. I commented on this early on how the cashew nuts tasted rancid.

"Evidence Based Nutrition"

The mistake I made in the past was not eating enough calories. I am thinking I needed a huge extra amount of sugar to heal the brain. When calorie deficient, the body will crave fat as back up.

It does feel absolubtely great having plenty of sugar (only in conjunction with low fat). After telling myself I was somehow wrong for having a sweetooth - It is absolubtely right and natural.

ETA: on an unrelated topic of anxiety and panic attacks, psychologist D.Lisle says the deep breathing, relaxing and cognitive models don't work well. He found running was the key. I find that interesting. Obviously not helpful with M.E. or maybe other illness, but for healthy friends who maybe suffering, it may prove useful.

 

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Was not expecting any real life results when starting this thread, so it has taken a different turn to what I originally intended! Kind of sprinkling in some personal notes to myself, and also sharing my results in case it helpsanyone. Also have only focused in what is super helpful to me so far. Experiment in progress So it is narrow in that sense. It probably isn't worth starting another thread on detailed personal day to day diary, as the important bits I am including. Time will tell.

 

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Well worth watching this.

I want everything on nutritionfacts.org to reflect the best available balance of evidence

just because it is published in the peer reviewed medical literature doesn't make it necessarily true

We do a comprehensive search of the available literature and place any available literature in context whilst also going backwards and forwards in time checking all sources they cited and all the sources that cited them.

We do that anytime a paper is published on nutrition which again happens 100,000 times a year.

They have 19 full time researchers, 200 active volunteers, and they are a non-profit charity suprisingly exisiting solely on donations!

 

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With the results I am now achieving, I am even more disappointed in those UK Doctors who are so called specialists in CFS heavily recommending and pushing a stone age diet whilst berating vegan/plant based diets.

I was at a really bad point and scooping bloody tablespoons of saturated fat (coconut oi) into my smoothies :-/
This made things worse.

These Doctors have a moral obligation to include High Carb Low Fat diet information and to be fully up to date in fact on the science of plant based diets instead of being biased and heavily influenced by atkins, so that patients know about it and can choose.

My personal belief is that the stone age diet is causing patients to die prematurely. I think cleaning up the diet, getting rid of dairy, gluten may cause improvement, however then over a longer period, the high fat, high animal protein is causing cancer, heart disease etc.

These Doctors also like the holistic view point, incorporating emotional/spiritual/mental levels. However, those patients whose eating habits have already been aligned with their intuition, with their ethics i.e. not wanting to cause suffering to the animals, the planet, the starving children etc are being completely undermined with unecessary and unscientific pressure put on them to eat animals with the promise of health in return.

It is really disturbing.

In short, I think prescribing a stone age diet amounts to medical negligence.

I would advise any plant based patients who have been given this advice to make formal complaint. Also any patients taking on the stone age diet who develop cancer,heart disease etc. to make formal complaint also.

 

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@Empty you mentioned Andrew "Spudfit" Taylor early on in this thread. Did you see his "Spudtember" challenge? He put together a FB group to eat only sweet and regular potatoes for the month. October 1 puts him at 9 months eating this way, and he's lost just over 100 pounds so far. He'll transition back to a vegan plant-based diet in January.

Andrew's primary focus is on food addiction, retraining himself to see food as fuel, not as entertainment or something to do when bored. That's not an issue for me, but I liked the idea of eating an incredibly simple diet for a month. Andrew eats about 6 pounds of various potatoes daily, which gives him all the nutrition he needs except for B12. As I could only manage 3, I would have been a little short on protein over the long term.

I got arthritis after about 2 weeks, and had to stop. I knew I was sensitive to nightshades, but thought I'd try anyway. I'm still enjoying the group, but I won't continue for Spudtober.

I wish I could find another single food that can be the foundation of my eating. It was incredibly liberating to toss tons of sweet and regular potatoes into the pressure cooker and oven, and have food for days. It's also a great elimination diet.

This was a great transition for me into plant based vegan. Strangely, I got the arthritis in my fingers that I expect from nightshades, but at the same time all of the knotted muscles that I associate with FM disappeared. Also my sleep seems to be improving, from 5 wakings a night to 2 the past few days. I don't yet know if this will hold, but I've woken at least 3 times a night for over 10 years. so a few nights of better sleep feels miraculous.

 

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iYes!

I check in on spudfit every now and again. I saw his appearance on national news and "spudtember". I thought it was a great idea. He is doing a fantastic job.

I am not on facebook so not in the spuddy group but it sounds supportive.

Sounds like you found a key clue there with your pain, hope you can find your staples.

At one point I couldn't eat nuts, fruit esp. Citrus, nightshades, etc. had mcs, but I am great with them all now.
So it is good to re-check every now and again...

 

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http://www.vegdocs.com/

Does not include uk, but helpful little resource. I will stop posting when I find a helpful uk doctor

 

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This is really good to know. Not being able to exercise hard really does concern me.

So here it shows that strolling on a plant based diet beats those doing strong exercise for Cancer. Personally I feel it another reason that in particular this is a good diet for those with exercise problems.

 

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Another great one with a cliffhanger landmark study.... can't wait